Thermodynamics Insulation Problem.

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics insulation problem involving Joe's heated outdoor steam house, which needs to maintain a temperature of 60 degrees Celsius despite outside temperatures of -10 degrees. The initial calculations for heat loss using the formula Q/t = A x K (T_hot - T_cold) / thickness yield a rate of 560 W with the existing insulation. To reduce heating costs by half, the user seeks to determine the necessary thickness of an additional insulation layer with a lower thermal conductivity of 0.01 W/mC. Corrections in the calculations suggest that the new insulation thickness required is approximately 1.5 cm. The conversation emphasizes the importance of using variable-based solutions for efficiency in problem-solving.
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Homework Statement



Hi guys, thanks in advance! I am trying to wrap my head around some insulation problem I have been given. I think I got it but just want to be sure, this stuff still confuses me. Did do so well on the midterm!

The problem about a joe's heated outdoor steam house, which has to be at 60 degrees celcius, in the middle of the winter where it is -10 degrees outside. The house has a surface of 10 meters2, and has some insulation (0.05 meters thick thermal conductivity 0.040 W/mC). First we have to compute the rate of heat loss.

Then we know that Joe's heating bill is too high, and he wants to cut it in 1/2, but applying another layer of insulation on top of the existing one, but he doens't know how thick of a layer he needs. The new insulation has a thermal conductity of 0.01 W/mC.

Homework Equations



I hope I only need that Q/t = A x K (T_hot - T_cold) / thickness

or Q/t = A x K (T_hot - T_cold) / Sum(R)

and R = thickness/K

where K = thermal conductivity.

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, with the single insulation layer

Q/t = A x K (T_hot - T_cold) / thickness
Q/t = 10m2 x 0.040W/mC x (60 - -10)C / 0.050m

= 560

and with the multiple we need to cut 560 in 1/2 to get 280.

Rold = 0.050m / 0.040W/mC
Rnew = X / 0.010W/mC

Q/t = A x K (T_hot - T_cold) / Sum(R)
260 = 10m2 x (60 - -10)C / (0.050m / 0.040W/mC + X / 0.010W/mC)

325 + 26000X = 700
X = 0.0144m

about 1.5 cm of insulation I guess.

Thanks everyone!

tb
 
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260 = 10m2 x (60 - -10)C / (0.050m / 0.040W/mC + X / 0.010W/mC)
You mean 280 here, right? You do (with this correction) get the right answer of .0125m, but you took the long way to get there.

If you solved the problem with only variables (not plugging in the numbers right away, just use "A" and "delta T" (which cancel out), and set (Q/t)2=0.5(Q/t)1, you see that

X2=(k2X1)/k1
 
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