Thermodynamics - Melting of Ice

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The problem involves estimating the melting temperature of ice at the bottom of a glacier that is 100 meters deep, considering the effects of pressure on the melting point of ice.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to relate the latent heat of fusion to the melting temperature but struggles with incorporating the pressure from the ice above. Some participants question the numerical presentation of results and suggest clarifying the units used. Others provide insights into how pressure affects the melting point of ice and prompt further exploration of the pressure at the glacier's base.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the relationship between pressure and melting point, as well as questioning the clarity of the original poster's calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several lines of inquiry are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly presenting numerical results with appropriate units and highlight potential typographical errors in the density of ice. The original poster's assumptions about pressure and its effects on melting temperature are also under discussion.

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Homework Statement



The density of ice is 0·92×103 kg m−3 and its latent heat of fusion is 3·3×105 J kg−1.

Estimate the melting temperature of the ice at the bottom of a glacier which is 100m deep.

Homework Equations



L = Tc(S2 - S1)

The Attempt at a Solution



(S2 - S1) = 1208.8

I then tried to get somewhere with this, but kept going around in circles and couldn't work out how to incorporate the fact it's at the bottom of the glacier.

I'm guessing it's something to do with the pressure of the ice above, and worked out this was

p = F/A = 9×105

but, couldn't figure out what to do with it from there. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Numerical results, unless they are pure numbers should be presented with units.
Are we speaking of 1208.8 sausages and 9×10e5 lumps of sugar?

A little bit of internet searching will tell you that a pressure of 100 atmospheres will lower the melting point of ice (generally 0°C) by about 1°C, that is to say not a lot.
Here's the reference
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570638/ice.html

So how much pressure is there at the bottom of a 100m thick glacier? Pressure in a medium like this is calculated as height*density (which gives us force per unit area). What does this mean approximately in terms of atmospheres (don't neglect the atmosphere itself).
 
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TheBaker said:
The density of ice is 0·92×10-3 kg m−3

This may be a simple typo. I suspect either m should be cm here, or the 10-3 should be 10+3
 
Sorry, that should indeed be +3
 

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