Theromdoynamics-TV diagram & Heat Engine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a thermodynamic system as represented in a temperature-volume (Tv) diagram, specifically focusing on the pressure changes when a system touches the saturation vapor line and the implications of quasi-static equilibrium for engine efficiency. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical clarification related to thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the pressure appears to increase after touching the saturation vapor line, suggesting it should remain constant at 1 MPa throughout the process.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that pressure is increasing, stating that a real process is not quasi-static and that this assumption is made for simplification in calculations.
  • A third participant reiterates the initial question about pressure and highlights that the graph indicates a temperature rise after leaving the saturated-mixture region while maintaining constant pressure.
  • One participant clarifies that the question is not related to homework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the pressure behavior in the context of the Tv diagram, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the issue.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of real processes versus quasi-static processes, which may not be fully articulated or agreed upon by participants.

jahlin
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1. The pressure is constant at 1Mpa how come it goes up after touching saturation vapor line.?Shouldn't it remain constant throughout?

Please look at the Tv diagram below:
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~thermo/Intro/Chapt.1_6/ideal_gas/tv_ideal.gif

2. Why quasi-static equilibrium is necessary for engine efficiency?

Thanks.
 
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1. Where does it say the pressure is increasing?
2. A real process is not quasi static. It's an assumption made to make all the calculations easier.

Btw is this homework.
 
jahlin said:
1. The pressure is constant at 1Mpa how come it goes up after touching saturation vapor line.?Shouldn't it remain constant throughout?

Please look at the Tv diagram below:
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~thermo/Intro/Chapt.1_6/ideal_gas/tv_ideal.gif

2. Why quasi-static equilibrium is necessary for engine efficiency?

Thanks.

That graph is showing a temperature rise after it leaves the saturated-mixture region, the pressure is still constant.

CS
 
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xxChrisxx: no its not a homework question.

StewartCs:thanks a bunch!
 

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