Thermodynamics (Entropy Generation and Heat Engine)

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics homework problem involving a hot gas stream being cooled at constant pressure. Participants analyze the heat transfer rate, entropy generation rate, maximum shaft power produced by a heat engine, and the relationship between mechanical power and entropy generation. The scope includes theoretical calculations and conceptual understanding of thermodynamic principles.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the heat transfer rate to the atmosphere as 30c, where c represents specific heat, and expresses confusion about the lack of pressure consideration in their calculations.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the calculation of the change in entropy, suggesting that the temperatures were switched, leading to a different entropy generation value.
  • A participant acknowledges the assumption of the gas stream inlet as a thermal reservoir but questions the validity of this assumption given the non-uniform temperature along the pipe.
  • Another participant suggests that integration over the increments of heat leaving the pipe should be performed to accurately apply the efficiency equation, indicating that maximum work is proportional to the cold reservoir temperature times the entropy generation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the calculations and assumptions made regarding the temperature uniformity and the application of thermodynamic principles. There is no consensus on the final answers or methods, and multiple competing views remain regarding the calculations and assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their calculations, including the dependence on assumptions about temperature uniformity and the need for integration in the analysis of heat transfer and efficiency. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and the complexity of applying thermodynamic principles in this context.

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Homework Statement


A hot gas stream at 600K and 200 kPa is cooled at constant pressure to 300K in a pipe by direct thermal contact with the atmosphere. The mass flow rate of the stream is 0,1 kg/s and the atmospheric temperature and pressure are 300K and 100 kPa. Modeling the gas as an ideal gas with constant specific heat determine;
a)heat transfer rate to the atmosphere
b)entropy generation rate associated with the cooling process
c)if the hot gas stream is used to produce mechanical power by operating a heat engine between the stream and the atmosphere determine the maximum shaft power produced
d)demonstrate that the mechanical power produced in part c is proportional to the rate of entropy generation in part b

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Since we don't know what the gas is, i write down c representing Cp (constant pressure problem)
dT = T2 - T1 (change in temp)
dS = S2- S1 (change in entropy)

a) Q=mcdt = 0,1c.(600K-300K) = 30c (heat transfer rate to the atmosphere)

b) dS = Sgen + (Q/T) so Sgen = dS - (Q/T)
dS = mcln(T2/T1) = 0,1cln(600/300) = 0.07c
Sgen = 0.07c - (-30c/300K) = 0.17c (entropy generation)

What did i miss? I am confused because i didn't make use of pressure throughout my calculations.

c) max efficiency n = 1 - (Tcold/Thot) = 1 - (300/600) = 0.5
Q.n=Work
30c.0,5=15c (maximum shaft work)

d) i couldn't come up with something on this.
 
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Albertov123 said:

Homework Statement


A hot gas stream at 600K and 200 kPa is cooled at constant pressure to 300K in a pipe by direct thermal contact with the atmosphere. The mass flow rate of the stream is 0,1 kg/s and the atmospheric temperature and pressure are 300K and 100 kPa. Modeling the gas as an ideal gas with constant specific heat determine;
a)heat transfer rate to the atmosphere
b)entropy generation rate associated with the cooling process
c)if the hot gas stream is used to produce mechanical power by operating a heat engine between the stream and the atmosphere determine the maximum shaft power produced
d)demonstrate that the mechanical power produced in part c is proportional to the rate of entropy generation in part b

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Since we don't know what the gas is, i write down c representing Cp (constant pressure problem)
dT = T2 - T1 (change in temp)
dS = S2- S1 (change in entropy)

a) Q=mcdt = 0,1c.(600K-300K) = 30c (heat transfer rate to the atmosphere)

b) dS = Sgen + (Q/T) so Sgen = dS - (Q/T)
dS = mcln(T2/T1) = 0,1cln(600/300) = 0.07c
Sgen = 0.07c - (-30c/300K) = 0.17c (entropy generation)

What did i miss? I am confused because i didn't make use of pressure throughout my calculations.
You didn't miss anything. But you got the temperatures switched in your calculation of ΔS for the gas. It should be -0.07c.
c) max efficiency n = 1 - (Tcold/Thot) = 1 - (300/600) = 0.5
Q.n=Work
30c.0,5=15c (maximum shaft work)
It seems to me that this part is not correct because the gas temperature is not 600K throughout the pipe. This needs to be taken into account.
 
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Thank you for the help.

As the pipe temperature not being uniform, I've accepted gas stream inlet as a thermal reservoir and calculated from that. But, yes this might not be true.
 
Albertov123 said:
Thank you for the help.

As the pipe temperature not being uniform, I've accepted gas stream inlet as a thermal reservoir and calculated from that. But, yes this might not be true.
You need to do an integration over the increments of heat leaving the pipe while applying the efficiency equation to each increment. When you do that, you will find that the maximum work is just the cold reservoir temperature (300 K) times Sgen.

Chet
 

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