Thesis in search of university, regarding Carnot and Kelvin

In summary, the historical accuracy of portrayal of Sadi Carnot and Lord Kelvin's work seeking a University is based largely on images taken from their original work. It is unclear what is going on here.
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Greetings,
A Thesis regarding the historical accuracy of portrayal Sadi Carnot and Lord Kelvin's work seeks a University.
It is based largely on the images below (note highlighted areas), taken from their original work.

As you know, Sadi Carnot and Lord Kelvin are the fathers of the science of thermodynamics.
The moderator has cautioned me not to express my opinion on this forum, as he considered it not mainstream.
I presume the fathers of modern science are suitably mainstream.

References: Carnot, Sadi "REFLECTIONS ON THE MOTIVE POWER OF HEAT AND ON MACHINES FITTED TO DEVELOP THAT POWER", and Thompson, Sir William (Lord Kelvin) "AN ACCOUNT OF CARNOT'S THEORY", New York: Wiley and Sons and London: Chapman & Hall, Limited, 1897.

Thanks to www.archive.org for the scan of original print copy of "REFLECTIONS ON THE MOTIVE POWER OF HEAT".
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It's not clear what is going on here.

Are you saying you have written a thesis and are looking for a publisher, or what?
 
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SteamKing said:
It's not clear what is going on here.

Are you saying you have written a thesis and are looking for a publisher, or what?
yes, thanks for asking.

Apparently I cannot discuss the thesis contents on this forum, but I would point out that Lord Kelvin said as highlighted above:

Kelvin wrote "29* Either the steam-engine or the air-engine, according to the arrangements described above, gives all the mechanical effect that can possibly be obtained from the thermal agency employed. For it is clear that in either case the operations may be performed in the reverse order, with every thermal and mechanical effect reversed" (page 161 and 162).
Kelvin adds footnote "* This paragraph is the demonstration, referred to above, of the proposition stated in 13, as it is readily seen that it is applicable to any conceivable kind of thermodynamic engine." (page 161)
Kelvin's theorem is "Hence it is impossible to have an engine which will derive more mechanical effect from the same thermal agency than is obtained by the arrangement described above; since, if there could be such an engine, it might be employed to perform, as a part of its whole work, the inverse cycle of operations, upon an engine of the kind we have considered, and thus to continually restore the heat from B to A, which has descended from A to B for working itself; so that we should have a complex engine, giving a residual amount of mechanical effect without any thermal agency, or alteration of materials, which is an impossibility in nature. The same reasoning is applicable to the air-engine ; and we conclude, generally, that any two engines, constructed on the principles laid down above, whether steam-engines with different liquids, an air-engine and a steam-engine, or two air-engines with different gases, must derive the same amount of mechanical effect from the same thermal agency. (page 163)

Lord Kelvin's published work is significantly different from what is taught today in introductory thermodynamics of heat engines.

I am interested in finding a University which would consider my thesis for post graduate work, and/or
a science publication that is able to consider publishing findings which show evidence such as Lord Kelvin's actual work, un-modified by time.

Having read their work several times, I believe that in spite of having an incorrect model of heat which prevailed in the 1800's,
Carnot and Kelvin got everything of substance exactly right.

If you are interested in details, I can be reached at [e-mail address deleted by mod].
 
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MrBi11 said:
I am interested in finding a University which would consider my thesis for post graduate work
I don't know how things work in history departments, but this isn't the way that scientific academia works. In science a student would find a lab which is already pursuing research on a topic of interest, join that lab, and work with the head of the lab and the department to research and produce the thesis.

I.e. a thesis is part of an organized masters or doctoral program, not simply a book randomly selected and subsequently published by a university.
 
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Greetings,

Thank you for bringing this thesis to our attention. The work of Sadi Carnot and Lord Kelvin in the field of thermodynamics is certainly of great historical significance and continues to be relevant in modern science. I can appreciate the importance of critically examining the accuracy of their portrayal in historical documents.

It is essential for any scientific work to be based on accurate and reliable information. Therefore, it is commendable that this thesis seeks to verify the historical accuracy of Carnot and Kelvin's work through the use of original sources. I would encourage the author to also consider consulting additional primary sources and exploring any potential biases or limitations in the original documents.

It is important to note that the scientific community is constantly evolving and refining our understanding of the world. As such, it is possible that some aspects of Carnot and Kelvin's work may have been updated or revised over time. However, their contributions to the field of thermodynamics remain invaluable and foundational.

I wish the author success in their pursuit of a university to further their research and contribute to the ongoing discourse on the work of Carnot and Kelvin. Thank you for sharing this thesis with us and for highlighting the importance of historical accuracy in scientific studies.

Sincerely,
 

What is the significance of Carnot's thesis in the search for a university?

Carnot's thesis, also known as the "Reflections on the Motive Power of Fire," is a groundbreaking study in thermodynamics. It laid the foundation for the field and provided insights into the efficiency of heat engines. As such, it is considered a fundamental work in the study of energy conversion and has had a significant impact on modern science and technology.

What is the main concept behind Carnot's thesis?

Carnot's thesis is based on the concept of heat engines and the idea that there is a limit to the maximum efficiency of such engines. This limit, now known as the Carnot efficiency, is determined by the difference in temperature between the hot and cold reservoirs of the engine.

How does Kelvin's work relate to Carnot's thesis?

William Thomson, also known as Lord Kelvin, expanded on Carnot's thesis by introducing the concept of absolute temperature. He proposed that the efficiency of a heat engine could be calculated using absolute temperatures and developed the Kelvin scale, which is still used today to measure temperature.

What are some practical applications of Carnot's thesis and Kelvin's work?

The principles outlined in Carnot's thesis and Kelvin's work have been applied in various fields, including engineering, physics, and environmental science. They have also played a crucial role in the development of modern technologies, such as power plants and refrigeration systems.

How has Carnot's thesis and Kelvin's work influenced the scientific community?

Carnot's thesis and Kelvin's work have had a significant impact on the scientific community, particularly in the fields of thermodynamics and energy conversion. They have helped us better understand the laws of thermodynamics and have paved the way for further research and advancements in these areas.

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