[Thin-Film Optics] Incident white light to color

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on estimating the reflecting color of a two thin-film system when illuminated by white light, particularly in the context of thin-film optics. Participants explore methods and approaches for calculating reflectance as a function of wavelength, considering the complexities of multi-layer systems.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on estimating the reflecting color from a two thin-film system, indicating a lack of strong background in optics.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the analysis for a single film to simplify the problem.
  • A participant proposes obtaining reflectance as a function of wavelength using Fresnel equations and wave-transfer matrices, questioning the complexity of the approach.
  • Clarification is made regarding the term "translucent," with a participant indicating it refers to a layer that is between transparent and opaque.
  • Discussion includes the need to calculate reflection and transmission at each boundary and the phase differences involved in multi-layer thin films.
  • A participant shares a resource for an online reflectance calculator that uses the complex matrix form of the Fresnel equations.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the problem, with one participant initially unsure if it was a student exercise.
  • Another participant describes a specific configuration of layers and suggests tuning thicknesses to achieve desired color removal through resonant transmission.
  • A participant reports successfully implementing a method from a referenced source along with their own Python implementation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus reached on a single method or solution. Some participants agree on the complexity of multi-layer systems while others propose different simplifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention missing specific information such as material properties and constants, which may affect the analysis. There is also uncertainty regarding the interpretation of terms and the overall complexity of the problem.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thin-film optics, particularly those looking to understand the calculation of reflectance in multi-layer systems and the application of Fresnel equations.

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Hello, as you might have guessed, my question revolves around thin film optics. My intention is: Given a two thin-film system residing on top of a semi-infinite (bulk) layer, how can I estimate the reflecting color (RGB preferably) when illuminated by white light? (Illustrated below).

I obviously have omitted much of the specific information such as material, constants, etc (this isn't even my entire problem). I am not looking for an explicit answer, rather I'd like to be pointed in the right direction or some resource of where to start (Optics isn't really a strong suit of mine).

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Hint: How would you normally do it for just one film?
 
I would imagine that in the end I want to get the reflectance as a function of wavelength which will essentially divulge the color information.

To get there I'm guessing I need to first use the fresnel equations to determine transmittance/reflectance for each layer. Then use the resulting reflectance functions to generate a the scattering/wave-transfer matrices which (I think) can yield the reflectance of the entire system? Then just iterate through my desired wavelength range.

Or would I be making it too complicated?
 
What does "translucent" mean?
 
Bad word choice I suppose, the top layer is somewhere in-between transparent and opaque.
 
OK - so what you actually mean is two transparent materials with different refractive indexes suitable for thin-film interference. For a moment there I wondered if the solution was simpler.

But yeah - you have to work out the reflection and transmission at each boundary and find the phase difference.
Multi-layer thin films can get quite complicated. Usually they get rigged so the dominant refection is off the bottom so you don't worry about the reflection from the middle layers.
 
I found this: http://www.filmetrics.com/reflectance-calculator an online calculator that calculates the reflectance of a multi-layer system.

They mention they used the "complex matrix form" of the Fresnel equations. I'm guessing that means the scattering/wave-transfer matrices?
 
Yeah - the general problem can be nasty - so you'd normally look for simplifications.
The problem I have with this question right now is that I don't know how to take it.

At first I thought it was an exercize for students - now I don't know.

Looking at it as written it looked like 4 layers.
0. air
1. a very thin scattering medium "translucent"
2. a thin refractive medium n>1 "transparent"
3. an absorbing medium "opaque"

So you'd just tune the thickness of layer 2 to resonantly transmit the color you want to remove.

In the general case where all the layers are refracting, you will end up with three "reflected" rays coming out the top surface, each with a different phase (which depends on how much of which material was traveled through). You need to express the phases of each ray in terms of the thicknesses of the materials they pas through (don't forget the phase shift, if any, on reflection)... tune the thicknesses so the phases sum to zero for the wavelength you want to remove.
 
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Well done :)
 

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