Third and fourth central moment of a random variable

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The discussion revolves around the third and fourth central moments of a random variable denoted as Tn, as referenced in a specific paper. Participants explore the implications of the provided formulas for expectation and variance, while seeking to derive the higher moments based on the context of Tn's distribution.

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  • One participant inquires about the specific formulas for the third and fourth central moments of Tn, indicating a need for clarity beyond general definitions.
  • Another participant provides a general formula for the n-th central moment of any random variable, suggesting that the mean is a critical component.
  • There is a suggestion that understanding the distribution of Tn is essential for deriving its moments, as the distribution is not specified in the paper.
  • A participant mentions that Tn is defined as a constant plus the difference between two correlated variables with the same gamma distribution, complicating the derivation of moments.
  • One participant proposes that based on symmetry arguments, the odd central moments may be zero, although they express uncertainty about proving this rigorously.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption of zero skewness for Tn, citing simulation results that suggest a positive skewness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the central moments of Tn, particularly regarding skewness and the implications of correlation in the underlying variables. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the lack of information regarding the probability distribution of Tn, which is crucial for deriving its third and fourth central moments. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the correlation of the variables involved.

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Researchers or students interested in statistical moments, particularly in the context of random variables with unknown distributions, may find this discussion relevant.

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In a paper published in the JOURNAL OF MATHEMATICAL PSYCHOLOGY 39, 265-274 (1995) a formula is given on page 272 for the expectation of a random variable (formula 23) and for it's variance (formula 24). Now I would like to know what the formulas look like for it's third and fourth central moment.








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My question is as follows. In the attached paper a formula is given on page 272 for the expectation of Tn (formula 23) and for the variance of Tn (formula 24). Now I would like to know what the formulas look like for Tn 's third and fourth central moment.
 

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General answer for any random variable ##X##. Let ##E(X)=\mu## be the mean of ##X##. Then the ##n^{th}## central moment is given by ##E((X-\mu)^n)##.
 
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Ad VanderVen said:
Now I would like to know what the formulas look like for Tn 's third and fourth central moment.
My guess is that you are asking for the third and fourth central moments of that particular ##T_n## rather than asking about the general concept of third and fourth moments. If that's the case, you are more likely to get an answer if you state the distribution of ##T_n## rather than hope that someone will read enough of the paper to figure that out.
 
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Stephen Tashi The probability distribution is not given in the paper.
 
Ad VanderVen said:
Stephen Tashi The probability distribution is not given in the paper.

Is your question about how to infer the third and fourth moments of ##T_n## from what is given in the paper?
 
Tn (eq. 22) is a constant plus the difference between two variables with the same gamma distribution (eq. 15). If those two variables were independent it would be fairly simple, but they are correlated, and I'm not sure how to do that.
 
mjc123 Thanks a lot for your comment. I am going to look at equation (eq.15).
 
Based on a qualitative symmetry argument, I would say that in the stationary regime, when Y is fluctuating about a constant mean, then although the Y's are correlated, the distribution of YnA - Y(n-1)A must be symmetrical about zero, so the odd central moments must all be zero. But I'm not sure I could prove it rigorously.
 
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mjc123 Sorry for my late reply. It could well be the case that Yn A - Y(n-1) A is symmetric. But the question is abour the central moments of Tn.
 
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If y = A + Bx, where A and B are constants, then if x is symmetrical about zero, y is symmetrical about A.
Now look at equation 22.
 
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Thank you very much for this important information.
 
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Dear mjc123,

You suggest that the variable ##T_n## has a skewness that equals zero, but simulations suggest that the skewness is positive.
 

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