This op amp does not have gain?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an operational amplifier (op amp) in an inverting configuration, specifically addressing the gain characteristics in both DC and AC circuits. Participants explore the implications of using coupling capacitors and feedback components on the circuit's performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the op amp should not exhibit gain in either DC or AC configurations due to the coupling capacitor blocking DC and the need for a capacitor in the feedback loop for AC gain.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial assertion but emphasizes that the circuit may only function under ideal conditions, noting potential instability in real-world applications.
  • A question is raised regarding the necessity of a capacitor in the feedback path to achieve gain, suggesting that this might not be a universally accepted view.
  • Further clarification is provided that a capacitor in the feedback path could actually reduce overall AC gain rather than increase it, indicating a complex relationship between feedback and gain in op amp circuits.

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Participants express differing views on the role of capacitors in the feedback path and their effect on gain, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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Participants note that the circuit's behavior may depend on ideal versus real-world conditions, including stability and frequency-dependent gain characteristics, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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this op amp doe snot have again in AC or DC
Had this as a question from a class mate. This op amp should not have any gain in the DC or AC circuit. The coupling cap blocks DC and has no reference to get gain, while the AC needs a cap in the feedback loop to get gain. Is that correct? Oh, this is supposed to be in the inverting configuration.

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Welcome to PF. :smile:

It looks fine to me...

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https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/opamp/opamp_7.html
 
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Thanks!
 
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EENSEEY, you should realize that the shown circuit (differentiator) will work under ideal conditions only (ideal opamp with a gain that is not frequency-dependent).
Under real conditions the circuit will be unstable.
Question: Why do you think that a cap is required in the feedback path to get gain?
 
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Yes, what @LvW said. This is actually a very difficult circuit to make work without oscillation. You'll learn more about that later when you've studied more about feedback stability, bode plots, and and the bandwidth limitations of real world amplifiers.

A cap in the feedback path will reduce the overall AC gain, not increase it. More feedback makes less forward gain.

Your next step should be to study about feedback in simple amplifiers, and the frequency dependent behavior of the basic components: inductors, capacitors and resistors.
 

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