This problem is killing me [calculation of electron transition]

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the initial quantum number (n_i) for an electron transition in a hydrogen atom, specifically when an electron emits a photon of a given wavelength (93.14 nm) while returning to the ground state. Participants explore the mathematical approach to solving this problem, including the application of the Rydberg formula and energy calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims their calculated value for n_i is approximately 0.7, based on their energy transition calculations.
  • Another participant proposes a different approach using the Rydberg formula, arriving at a value of 6.85 for n_i, which they consider close enough to 7.
  • There is a mention of confusion regarding the value of 2.18x10-18 joules, with one participant asserting it represents the Rydberg constant in joules.
  • A later reply suggests that a simple mathematical error occurred in the initial calculations, prompting a reevaluation of the approach.
  • One participant concludes that considering the negative energy change (∆E) due to the electron releasing energy clarifies the solution, reinforcing the value of 7 for n_i.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct calculation of n_i, with one participant asserting a value of 0.7 and others arriving at 6.85 or 7. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the initial calculations and the interpretation of the energy values.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential errors in calculations that affect the conclusions drawn by participants. The discussion highlights the dependence on the correct application of the Rydberg formula and the interpretation of energy transitions.

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this problem is killing me! [calculation of electron transition]

i've been trying to solve this problem.. the answer should be 7.. my answer is 0.7 !

What is the value of n_i for an electron that emits a photon of wavelength 93.14 nm when it returns to the ground state in the H atom?

my solution..

n_f=1
λ=93.14 nm×(10^(-9) m)/(1 nm)=93.14×10^(-9) m
∆E=hν=hc/λ=(6.63×10^(-34)×3.00×10^8)/(93.14×10^(-9))≈2.14×10^(-18)
∆E=-2.18×10^(-18) (1/(n_f^2 )-1/(n_i^2 ))
2.14×10^(-18)=-2.18×10^(-18) (1/1^2 -1/(n_i^2 ))
-2.14/2.18=1-1/(n_i^2 )
1.982= 1/(n_i^2 )
n_i^2=0.5045
n_i=√0.5045≈0.7

n_i = n initial
n_f = n final
λ = wavelength ( lambda )
∆E = energy of the transition
h = plank's constant
ν = frequency ( nu )
c = speed of light

if reading the solution is an issue.. just past it in microsoft word and activate the equation mode..
 
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eq123 said:
if reading the solution is an issue.. just past it in microsoft word and activate the equation mode..

We have something called LaTeX for such situations. And I don't have, use, nor want to use Microsoft Word.

When I solve

\frac 1 {93.14nm} = R_{\infty} (\frac 1 {1^2} - \frac 1 {n^2})

for n, I get 6.85 - close enough to 7. No idea what is 2.18x10-18, as far as I can tell Rydberg constant is 1.097x107 m-1.

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Borek said:
for n, I get 6.85 - close enough to 7. No idea what is 2.18x10-18, as far as I can tell Rydberg constant is 1.097x107 m-1.

2.18x10-18 is the Rhydberg constant in joules.
 


OK, I know what have happened. Check your math, you made a simple error when solving.

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i already figured it out.. since the electron is returning to its ground state.. it is releasing energy.. which means that ∆E is negative.. after taking that into consideration.. the answer should be 7..

2.18x10-18 is the Rhydberg constant in joules.
wow.. it makes more sense to me now!

thank you.
 

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