Thought experiment: Photons in a box

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thought experiment involving photons trapped in a box with mirrored walls. Participants explore the implications of reducing the size of the box and the potential physical phenomena that may arise, including the formation of black holes and the interaction of photons with the box's material. The scope includes theoretical considerations and speculative reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that reducing the size of the box could lead to the formation of a mini black hole due to the concentration of photons in a diminishing volume.
  • Another participant agrees that if no photons escape, a black hole could result, but speculates that the mirrored sphere would become very hot and potentially break before reaching that state.
  • There is a suggestion that the interaction between trapped photons and the atoms of the mirrors would likely cause the photons to escape before extreme conditions arise.
  • A participant proposes that replacing the box with an internally mirrored sphere might simplify the thought experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the outcomes of the thought experiment, particularly regarding the formation of a black hole and the behavior of photons. There is no consensus on the likelihood of these phenomena occurring.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the vagueness of the initial conditions, such as the number of photons and the specific properties of the mirrors, which may influence the discussion's outcomes.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in theoretical physics, thought experiments, and the behavior of light in confined spaces may find this discussion relevant.

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Consider a box whose walls are mirrors. Suppose we trap a bunch (yes, it's vague) of photons inside the box. They will not escape, or assume that a major part of them will not escape the box.

Now suppose we have a way of decreasing the size of the box at our will, but possibly obeying the laws of physics (i.e. not infinetly decreasing the size of the box). As we imagine decreasing the box, some interesting thoughts arise

- At some point there would appear some kind of mini black hole?

- The photons would exert some kind of pressure outwards?

- And possible other possibilites...

I would like to know what/if any of these would be more likely.

OR... remembering that the mirrors are made of atoms, well before those interesting things becoming likely to happen the interaction of the trapped photons with the mirrors atoms would somehow have freed the photons out of the box.
 
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The answers are going to be mathematical... as a thought experiment it might be easier if you let the box be replaced by an internally mirrored sphere?
 
Yea, a sphere would better fit the story.
 
kent davidge said:
- At some point there would appear some kind of mini black hole?.
Assuming nothing escapes the walls of your ever reducing sphere then yes a black hole will be the result.
Because at some point there will be X photons existing in a zero volume,
My guess is that your perfect mirror sphere will get very hot and break before that happens,
 
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kent davidge said:
well before those interesting things becoming likely to happen the interaction of the trapped photons with the mirrors atoms would somehow have freed the photons out of the box.
Bingo! :biggrin:
 
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