Three greatest mathematicians ever?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the three greatest mathematicians of all time, exploring various criteria for evaluation, and the implications of historical context on contributions to mathematics. Participants express differing opinions on what constitutes greatness in mathematics, including influence, understanding, and advancements in the field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the importance of specifying criteria for greatness, such as influence, understanding, or advancement of the field.
  • One participant lists Imhotep, Euclid, Archimedes, Al-Khwārizmī, Newton, and Turing as significant figures, while acknowledging that different criteria would yield different lists.
  • Another participant raises the challenge of comparing mathematicians from vastly different historical periods and cultural contexts, questioning how contributions can be fairly assessed.
  • Several participants propose their own lists of influential mathematicians, including Euclid, Archimedes, Euler, Gauss, and Newton, with variations in their runners-up.
  • There is mention of Joseph Fourier's contributions, particularly in Fourier analysis and its applications, with some participants expressing a lack of familiarity with his work.
  • One participant suggests that Grothendieck might be the most influential mathematician of the 20th century.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about their qualifications to answer the question, citing limited exposure to the works of the mathematicians in question.
  • A quote from E.T. Bell is referenced, highlighting the complexity of ranking mathematicians due to the cumulative nature of mathematical knowledge over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on who the three greatest mathematicians are, with multiple competing views and criteria presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the difficulty of comparing mathematicians from different eras and cultures, as well as the influence of historical context on their contributions. There is also an acknowledgment of the challenges in establishing criteria for greatness in mathematics.

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Based on what criteria? Without specifying that it is like asking who is the greatest athlete of all time. There are simply too many different sports which are all very different to be able to answer without further specifications. (Does chess count as a sport? Do you base it on dominance in the sport? (Including a factor for how much of a random element is involved.) Do you weight it based on how popular the sport is? On how many people are practicing the sport?)
 
Yeah, criteria here is important. Do you mean who understood math the best, who moved the field forwards the most, who used it best, who's the most important? I'd give different answers for each. These are the ones I would consider most important, as well as my personal favorites, not necessarily greatest.

Imhotep
Euclid
Archimedes
Al-Khwārizmī
Newton
Turing
 
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So this is a typical example of criteria being important! I already disagree ... :wink: (Not with the people in the list being important, that much is obvious, but there are others I would put before.)

Edit: It also becomes difficult to judge contributions from people who lived very different amounts of time as tended to be relatively common historically. How do you compare the lifetime achievements of giants like Gauss with those of Galois or Abel who died in their 20s? What would those two have achieved if they had lived to be 77 (i.e., like Gauss)?
 
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I'd be interested to see the professions of the different people who answer. I chose what I thought of as most important with the bias of an computer engineer.

Edit based on @Orodruin's edit: Also people who lived in extremely different cultures and had access to different tools. For example, what would Imhotep have accomplished if he had lived in England at the time of Newton and what could Newton have accomplished if he had lived in Egypt of the time of Imhotep?
 
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the criteria for this question is who moved the fields of math the most?
 
"And [Mathematics] builds from generation to generation. You have to really know what you're doing to do [mathematics] - and when you really understand something, you can explain it to someone else. The greatest [mathematicians] of one century ago, the brightest names that are still spoken with reverence, their powers are as nothing to the greatest [mathematicians] of today." - hpmor [almost]
 
In terms of influence, I think the top three are:

Euclid
Joseph Fourier (Fourier Series, laws of heat transfer, Fourier transforms)
Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (invented algebra)

Runners-up:

Leonhard Euler
Rene Descartes (more known for philosophy, but also significant for devising the coordinate plane)
Aristotle (formal logic)
Neils Abel (group theory)
Bernhard Riemann (most of the mathematical framework on which general relativity was built)

But my personal favorite mathematician is Tarn Adams, the man behind Dwarf Fortress, who apparently has a math PhD.
 
In terms of those who have advanced the field of mathematics the most the top 5, in no particular order, are:

Euclid
Archimedes
Leonhardt Euler
Carl Gauss
Isaac Newton

Runners-up include Rene Descartes, al-Khwarizmi, Niels Abel, Bernhard Riemann, David Hilbert, Alan Turing, Kurt Godel, Pierre-Simon Laplace, Joseph Fourier, Joseph Louis Lagrange, Gottfried Leibniz, Nikolai Lobachevsky, and Henri Poincare.
 
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Gauss
Euler
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DiracPool
 
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The last one was mainly horsing around. He did brew a mean cup of coffee.
So you could say he advanced maths a lot by helping mathematicians focus for hours on end o0)
 
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Joseph Fourier, i don't know much about him but a few people mentioned him

what were his accomplishments?
 
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Fourier Analysis used in the mathematical analysis of periodic functions. simply a periodic varying function can be expressed as a sum of sines and cosines.
 
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Phypro said:
Joseph Fourier, i don't know much about him but a few people mentioned him
what were his accomplishments?
He discovered the mechanism behind the greenhouse effect. And also that you can write functions as infinite series of trigonometric functions.
He was also the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of the PhD advisor of my PhD advisor.

I think that Felix Klein and Emmy Noether were great mathematicians (And Felix Klein was the PhD advisor of...).
 
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i think Grothendieck would probably be the most influential of the 20th century
 
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Gauss
Euclid
Sheldon Cooper
 
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Since I have only read a few of them, including Euclid, parts of Riemann, and very little of Gauss, and almost none of the other famous people, I do not feel qualified to answer the question as asked. I would have to have mastered the works of these people to rate them, plus studied some history of how their works influenced others. If you will take as an answer which ones impress me the most, with my limited awareness, I would mention Archimedes, Gauss, and Riemann, (and Euler, HIlbert, Poincare', and Grothendieck).
 
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In his book "Mathematics Queen and Servant of Science" E.T. Bell states
" The field of higher arithmetic alone is probably beyond the complete mastery of any two men, while geometry, algebra and analysis, especially the last are of even greater extent. "

Today a mathematician has the advantage of centuries of formal development of the field. Thus the quote "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants" belies the question of who is the greatest mathematician or even the three best.

While we may grossly rank mathematician according to contributions in the subfields of mathematics it is difficult to if not impossible to say if A is greater than B. In his book Bell lists over a hundred mathematician (applied and pure) who contributed both directly and indirectly to Physics. Without studying all their contributions how can one rank them. and by what criteria e.g. most cited in the literature? That would be questionable because of the advantage that present day mathematician have since there are probably more mathematician alive today than have existed who can cite a paper. This is not meant to minimize any contemporary mathematicians contributions for even Newton had the advantage of Euclid's work.
 
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Euclid, Gauss, Newton, Euler, Galois, Riemann, Cantor, Hilbert, Noether, Grothendieck, Laurent Schwartz, von Neumann, ...

No way I can pick three :smile:
 

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