Thrust imparted from a photon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of thrust imparted by photons on a hypothetical material that neither absorbs nor reflects light. Participants explore the implications of such a material in space when exposed to light, considering both theoretical and conceptual aspects of light's interaction with matter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that a material which neither absorbs nor reflects light would not experience any thrust, as it would be completely transparent and not interact with light at all.
  • Another participant suggests that while light is massless, it carries momentum, which could imply thrust if the material interacts with light in some way.
  • There is a question raised about the fate of light when it encounters a material that does not absorb or reflect it, with some participants suggesting it would simply pass through without effect.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented regarding a perfect mirror box containing a single photon, with one participant asserting that the photon would remain inside the box.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the conditions under which light can be slowed, indicating that it can be slowed in a medium that interacts with it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether thrust can be imparted by light on a material that does not interact with it. There is no consensus on the implications of a perfect mirror or the behavior of light in such scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of light and materials, such as the definitions of absorption, reflection, and transparency, which may not be universally agreed upon. The implications of these assumptions on the outcomes of the scenarios presented remain unresolved.

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If I produced a material that neither absorbed nor reflected light. Or at least did so to an extremely miniscule amount and set it in space and hit it with light. Would there be any thrust imparted unto it?

If so would it be significant?
My initial thoughts would be that sense it is massless there would be no thrust. But if the particle cannot pass through the object reflect off the object or go around the object , it has to move the object. No?

Also if light is massless and cannot be slowed let us say I take a perfect mirror and craft a box out of it and make it small enough that the inside can contain a single photon, what would happen?
 
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jonatron5 said:
If I produced a material that neither absorbed nor reflected light.
I guess scattering is forbidden as well?
Then it would not interact with light at all, the material is completely transparent. No thrust.
To get thrust, it has to absorb, reflect or scatter light.

Light is massless, but it has momentum.
jonatron5 said:
Also if light is massless and cannot be slowed
It can be slower in a medium that interacts with light.
jonatron5 said:
Also if light is massless and cannot be slowed let us say I take a perfect mirror and craft a box out of it and make it small enough that the inside can contain a single photon, what would happen?
The photon would stay inside. In the radio-frequency range, there are good approximations to perfect mirrors - they can store electromagnetic oscillations for several seconds.
 
If the material "neither absorbed nor reflected light", where does the light go?
 
HallsofIvy said:
If the material "neither absorbed nor reflected light", where does the light go?

it just passes through, without an effect...
 

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