Photon Reflection: Questions & Answers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interaction of photons with surfaces, specifically focusing on the reflection of massless particles like photons off mirrors. Participants explore the complexities of these interactions, referencing concepts from both classical physics and quantum electrodynamics, as well as the implications of treating photons as particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how massless photons can reflect off surfaces, suggesting that they might simply be absorbed instead of bouncing back.
  • Another participant argues that photons are not classical particles and that their behavior can be better understood through electromagnetic fields rather than as discrete bouncing entities.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of photon interactions with matter, noting that quantum electrodynamics provides a framework for understanding these phenomena, although it requires significant background knowledge.
  • It is mentioned that while quantum effects are crucial for phenomena like the photoelectric effect, many light behaviors can be analyzed using classical physics.
  • Participants clarify that the term "particle" in quantum physics differs from its everyday usage, indicating that photons do not behave like classical particles that can simply bounce off surfaces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of photon interactions, with some emphasizing the classical perspective and others advocating for a quantum mechanical understanding. No consensus is reached on the best framework for understanding these interactions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of using classical analogies for quantum phenomena and the potential misunderstandings that can arise from the terminology used in quantum physics.

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I was wondering while doing some work on the photoelectric effect about how it is that photons interact with their environment.
The question that I have is why or how does a massless particle such as a photon reflect of a surface such as a mirror.
My first thoughts went to collisions with the particles making up the material which the photons are hitting, but wouldn't the material just absorb the energy of the photon leaving no reflection.
Having no mass how would they bounce, or is it more complex than this.
 
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StanEvans said:
Having no mass how would they bounce, or is it more complex than this.
Photons are not classical particles.

You can describe the system as absorption and re-emission of photons, but mirrors are so much easier to understand with electromagnetic fields. There is no need to introduce photons.
 
StanEvans said:
I was wondering while doing some work on the photoelectric effect about how it is that photons interact with their environment.
The question that I have is why or how does a massless particle such as a photon reflect of a surface such as a mirror.
My first thoughts went to collisions with the particles making up the material which the photons are hitting, but wouldn't the material just absorb the energy of the photon leaving no reflection.
Having no mass how would they bounce, or is it more complex than this.
It is more complex.

The behavior of photons interacting with matter (including reflection, refraction, and transmission) is covered by the theory of quantum electrodynamics. It is seriously daunting - the required background is such that one is unlikely to encounter it until after completing a four-year undergraduate program. However, Richard Feynman has a written an excellent layman-friendly book: "QED: The strange theory of light and matter" which you might want to try; just be aware that like all popularizations, it is no substitute for the real thing.

Fortunately most phenomena involving light can be analyzed using classical physics and thinking of light as electromagnetic waves. Photons are only needed when explicitly quantum mechanical effects are involved, as with the photoelectric effect.

You should also be aware that the word "particle", as used in quantum physics, means something very different than in ordinary English. A photon is not a little moving object that can bounce like a ricocheting bullet, and a beam of light is not a stream of photons flowing by.
 
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Nugatory said:
It is more complex.

The behavior of photons interacting with matter (including reflection, refraction, and transmission) is covered by the theory of quantum electrodynamics. It is seriously daunting - the required background is such that one is unlikely to encounter it until after completing a four-year undergraduate program. However, Richard Feynman has a written an excellent layman-friendly book: "QED: The strange theory of light and matter" which you might want to try; just be aware that like all popularizations, it is no substitute for the real thing.

Fortunately most phenomena involving light can be analyzed using classical physics and thinking of light as electromagnetic waves. Photons are only needed when explicitly quantum mechanical effects are involved, as with the photoelectric effect.

You should also be aware that the word "particle", as used in quantum physics, means something very different than in ordinary English. A photon is not a little moving object that can bounce like a ricocheting bullet, and a beam of light is not a stream of photons flowing by.
Ok thanks, this helps a lot.
 

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