Find Thrust of Rocket: 1.9x10^3 kg with 2.5x10^3 m/s

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The discussion focuses on calculating the thrust of a rocket with a mass of 1.9 x 10^3 kg and fuel ejection speed of 2.5 x 10^3 m/s. The thrust is calculated using the formula T = d(mv)/dt, resulting in a thrust of 19.5 x 10^3 N. However, there are concerns about the method used to derive this result, particularly the mixing of acceleration and the speed of ejected fuel. A suggestion is made to refer to another thread for additional practice problems related to rocket thrust calculations. The conversation emphasizes the need for a clearer understanding of the principles involved in changing momentum due to mass loss.
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A space-research rocket stands vertically on its launching pad. Prior to ignition, the mass of the rocket and its fuel is 1.9 X 103 kg. On ignition, gas is ejected from the rocket at a speed of 2.5 X 103 m/s relative to the rocket, and fuel is consumed at a constant rate of 7.4 kg/s. Find the thrust of the rocket.

Can someone please check my solution?

Let the mass of both the rocket and fuel be m, and let T be the thrust. Let 'a' be the acceleration of the rocket, and g be the acceleration due to gravity. Then,


T = \frac{d(mv)}{dt}

T = m\frac{dv}{dt} + v\frac{dm}{dt}

T = 7.4 kgs^{-1} \times 2.5 \times 10^3 ms^{-1}

T = 19.5 \times 10^3 N
 
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Looks good to me.
 
I'm quite unfamiliar with problems involving a rate of change of momentum brought about by a rate of change of mass. In fact, this is the only problem of its kind that I've come across in my book.

Can someone please direct me to an online source of problems of this kind? I need more practise, thanks.
 
You might want to look at the following thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=72176

Note that you are mixing together the rocket's acceleration a=dv/dt while using "v" as the speed of the ejected fuel, relative to the rocket.
This is meaningless.

Although you get the right expression for the thrust (i.e, the force acting upon the rocket from the ejected fuel), your method of derivation is totally wrong.

now, the way by which i derive the rocket equation in post 4 is one way.
Later on in that thread, I'll derive it slightly differently, relying heavily upon Newton's 3.law (i.e, by relating the momentum change experienced by an ejected particle to the force acting upon it from the rocket system).

If you would be so kind to post your comments here, rather than in the thread in question, I would be grateful.
(Possibly, the thread will be made into a sticky later on, as a homework help thread)
 
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