Time derivative of tensor expression

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The discussion centers on computing the time derivative of a tensor expression related to the electric multipole moments of a stable group of particles. The key equation involves the time derivative of a delta function, leading to a complex expression that includes internal coordinates and their derivatives. The participants explore the application of the chain rule in the context of the nabla operator, specifically questioning the validity of equating the time derivative of the operator with the derivative of the internal coordinates. Ultimately, it is concluded that while the direct equality may not hold, the derivative behaves correctly when applied to a function independent of time. The mathematical reasoning presented supports the validity of the approach taken in the derivation.
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I was trying to compute the time derivative of the following expression:

\mathbf{p_k} = \sum_i e_{ki}\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^n}{(n+1)!} \mathbf{r_{ki}}(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^n \delta(\mathbf{R_k}-\mathbf{R})

I am following deGroot in his Foundations of Electrodynamics. He says, "Taking the derivative \partial_0 = \partial/\partial ct" of the above equation, one finds

\partial_0 \mathbf{p_k} + \frac{1}{c} \mathbf{\dot{R}_k \cdot \nabla p_k} - \frac{1}{c} \sum_i e_{ki} \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^n}{(n+1)!} (\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki} r_{ki} \cdot \nabla } + n\mathbf{r_{ki}\dot{r}_{ki} \cdot \nabla})(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^{n-1} \delta(\mathbf{R_k}-\mathbf{R}) = 0

since "the time derivative of the delta function is equal to -\mathbf{\dot{R}_k \cdot \nabla} acting on it." By this I assume he means that the total time derivative of the delta function is 0.

Some context: deGroot is talking about a stable group of particles labeled by k. So \mathbf{R_{k}} is the position of the center of mass of the group and the \mathbf{r_{ki}} are the internal coordinates , which specify the positions of the constituent particles ki with respect to the stable group k. So we are dealing with the electric multipole moments of the group of particles. e_{ki} is the charge of the ki particle.

This is my attempt (it seems above that he is taking the total derivative of both sides and subtracting one from the other):
Let's just focus on the \mathbf{r_{ki}}(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^n \delta(\mathbf{R_k}-\mathbf{R}) term. I get
\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}}(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^n \delta(\mathbf{R_k}-\mathbf{R}) + \mathbf{r_{ki}}\frac{d}{dt}[(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^n\delta(\mathbf{R_k}-\mathbf{R})]

So the remaining part is to find \mathbf{r_{ki}}\frac{d}{dt}[(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^n\delta(\mathbf{R_k}-\mathbf{R})] which according to deGroot should be (n\mathbf{r_{ki}\dot{r}_{ki} \cdot \nabla})(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^{n-1} \delta(\mathbf{R_k}-\mathbf{R})

This would usually make sense using the chain rule, but I don't immediately see how you can use the chain rule since the nabla operator is inside. The chain rule would give
\frac{d}{dt}[(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^n] = n (\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})^{n-1} \frac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})

Is it really mathematically correct to say that \frac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla}) = (\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}\cdot \nabla})? Is it because you have to think of the operator being applied to the delta function first before taking the derivative and since the delta function is independent of time it makes no difference?
 
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gitano said:
Is it really mathematically correct to say that ddt(rki⋅∇)=(r˙ki⋅∇) \frac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla}) = (\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}\cdot \nabla}) ? Is it because you have to think of the operator being applied to the delta function first before taking the derivative and since the delta function is independent of time it makes no difference?
I think your guess as to the reason may be correct.

That is, perhaps it is not the case that ##
\frac{d}{dt}(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla}) = (\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}\cdot \nabla})##

but it is the case that
$$
\frac{d}{dt}\left[(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})g(\mathbf{x})\right] = (\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}\cdot \nabla})g(\mathbf{x})$$
where ##g## is a function only of the variable ##\textbf{x}##, which does not involve ##t##.

Let's see:

$$\frac{d}{dt}\left[(\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot \nabla})g(\mathbf{x})\right] =
\frac{d}{dt}\left[\mathbf{r_{ki}\cdot (\nabla}g(\mathbf{x}))\right] =
\frac{d}{dt}[\mathbf{r_{ki}]\cdot (\nabla}g(\mathbf{x}))
+
\mathbf{r_{ki}}\cdot \frac{d}{dt}[\nabla g(\mathbf{x})]
$$

$$
=
\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}\cdot (\nabla}g(\mathbf{x}))
+
\mathbf{r_{ki}}\cdot \mathbf{0}
=
\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}\cdot (\nabla}g(\mathbf{x})) =
(\mathbf{\dot{r}_{ki}\cdot \nabla})g(\mathbf{x})
$$

So it looks OK.
 

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