Time dilation experiments with spacecraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the measurement of time dilation effects in spacecraft, particularly focusing on the Voyager spacecraft and previous experiments involving clocks in airplanes. Participants explore whether such measurements have been conducted and the implications of relativity in these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether time dilation measurements have been conducted with the Voyager spacecraft, suggesting that the internal clocks should exhibit slower ticking due to their high speeds.
  • Another participant recalls early experiments involving clocks in airplanes, referencing the Hafele-Keating experiment and expressing skepticism about its quality compared to other experiments.
  • A participant asserts that relativistic effects are routinely accounted for in GPS satellite operations, indicating that time dilation is effectively tested daily through necessary corrections.
  • One participant mentions the "Scout rocket experiment" as a notable test of general relativity, suggesting it may provide insights into time dilation, though it is distinct from special relativity.
  • A later reply points to a recent and precise detection of time dilation, providing a link for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of certainty about the existence and quality of time dilation experiments. While some assert that such measurements are conducted regularly, others question the thoroughness and reliability of earlier experiments. No consensus is reached regarding the specifics of the experiments mentioned.

Contextual Notes

There are references to various experiments and their perceived quality, but the discussion does not resolve the uncertainties surrounding the methodologies or results of these experiments.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying relativity, experimental physics, or the practical applications of time dilation in technology such as GPS systems.

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I assume this has been done, but I have not seen any papers on it. For example, with the Voyagers traveling at however-many-tens-of-thousands-of-mph with respect to us, we should be able to measure the slower tick of their internal clocks (e.g., slower signalling). Perhaps this hasn't been done since the scientists involved have better things to investigate with the Voyager data than to do basic Relativity. But I'm curious if it's been done.
 
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Haven't they done this with a clock in an airplane in the early days of SR? I read they did in a textbook. Excuse me for not having any precise reference for you.
 
quasar987 said:
Haven't they done this with a clock in an airplane in the early days of SR? I read they did in a textbook. Excuse me for not having any precise reference for you.
While I do not question slower clock speeds for a moment, later experiments found clear evidence, however the quality of the first experiment, the Hafele-Keating experiment, is barely higher than in the plainly embarrassing case in Principe of Eddington which measured the light curvature around the sun.
 
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Phobos said:
I assume this has been done, but I have not seen any papers on it. For example, with the Voyagers traveling at however-many-tens-of-thousands-of-mph with respect to us, we should be able to measure the slower tick of their internal clocks (e.g., slower signalling). Perhaps this hasn't been done since the scientists involved have better things to investigate with the Voyager data than to do basic Relativity. But I'm curious if it's been done.

Yes, it is done daily, via the corrections that have been uploaded in the GPS sattelites. The clocks loaded on the GPS sattelites have been corrected prior to launch in order to account for both the SR time dilation, for the Sagnac effect, Doppler effect and for the GR frequency shift due to variable gravitational field. So, all these relativistic effects are being "tested" on a daily basis. See here:

http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/
 
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Phobos said:
I assume this has been done, but I have not seen any papers on it. For example, with the Voyagers traveling at however-many-tens-of-thousands-of-mph with respect to us, we should be able to measure the slower tick of their internal clocks (e.g., slower signalling). Perhaps this hasn't been done since the scientists involved have better things to investigate with the Voyager data than to do basic Relativity. But I'm curious if it's been done.

I believe one of the more precise experiments was the "Scout rocket experiment". This was a test of general realtivity, though, rather than a test of special relativity. I

See for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_rocket_experiment
 
If you want a more recent, and most precise detection of time dilation so far, you may want to read this:

http://www.aip.org/enews/physnews/2003/split/655-2.html

Zz.
 
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