Time dimension extent of a 4-dimension object

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The discussion explores the implications of four-dimensional spacetime in general relativity, particularly whether physical objects possess a non-zero extent along the time dimension. It raises questions about the nature of objects existing in the past and future, and the behavior of photons in relation to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if four dimensions correspond to physical reality, objects might have a non-zero extent in time, similar to their extent in three-dimensional space.
  • There is a suggestion that describing an object's duration could be analogous to describing its spatial extent, although this raises complexities regarding the existence of objects over time.
  • Some participants assert that the idea of an object existing in the past and future is philosophical and may hold validity to some extent.
  • One participant argues against the notion that photons can "see" ahead in time, stating that photons lack a valid reference frame and cannot perceive events as they occur.
  • Another participant emphasizes that photons do not possess consciousness or the ability to behave appropriately, further challenging the idea of them "seeing" anything.
  • A reference is made to previous discussions on the topic, suggesting that this is not a new idea within the forum.
  • A participant mentions Cramer's "Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics," which posits that events may involve quantum waves moving both forward and backward in time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of four-dimensional spacetime, with no consensus reached on whether objects have a temporal extent or the nature of photons in this context. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the philosophical nature of some questions raised, and there are references to previous discussions that may provide additional context. The complexity of defining temporal extent for objects and the implications for quantum mechanics are noted but not resolved.

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In three dimensions physical objects have an extent ( non-zero length ) along all three dimensions.

If it is accepted that the four dimensions of general relativity correspond to physical reality, does that imply that physical objects also have a non-zero ( non-infinitesimal ) extent along the time dimension?

If so, does an object exist, in part, in the future and the past?

If so, does if imply that a photon can "see ahead" enough to be behave appropriately in the two slit experiment?
 
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Good questions.
jpi said:
If it is accepted that the four dimensions of general relativity correspond to physical reality, does that imply that physical objects also have a non-zero ( non-infinitesimal ) extent along the time dimension?
It would help if you thought about this in terms of how we describe things: i.e. we describe an object by defining an extent in 3D space. Similarly, if we described a length of time to describe it, we would just be describing a duration. That's exactly what you're doing when you ask, "how long is the movie?" With a event it is relatively simple: 'such and such occurred for so long.' With an object it is a little strange, we don't necessarily know how long an object will exist, or how long it has existed.
It comes in handy in particle physics though.

jpi said:
If so, does an object exist, in part, in the future and the past?
That's more of a philosophical question---how you interpret these things... but yes, that's definitely accurate to some extent.

jpi said:
If so, does if imply that a photon can "see ahead" enough to be behave appropriately in the two slit experiment?
No. Not at all. Photons can't 'see' anything---because they don't have a valid reference frame. Additionally, even if they could 'see,' they would no equivalent of actions---because everything would appear to be at the same instant in time and space... sounds weird because it doesn't work--you can't think in the photons frame.
 
jpi said:
IIf so, does if imply that a photon can "see ahead" enough to be behave appropriately in the two slit experiment?

Photons are not alive, they don't "see" anything, and don't have a concept of appropriate behavior.
 
You might enjoy reading Cramer's "Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics" (TIQM). He proposes that events involve QM waves moving both forward & backwards in time simultaneously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIQM
 

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