Time Paradox: A & B's Clocks Move Differently

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The discussion revolves around the scenario of two astronauts, A and B, traveling toward each other at constant speed and the implications for their respective perceptions of time as measured by their clocks. Participants explore whether this situation constitutes a paradox, examining concepts from special relativity such as time dilation and the relativity of simultaneity.

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  • Some participants assert that the situation does not set up a paradox due to the relativity of simultaneity, suggesting that a formal setup using Lorentz transforms clarifies the perspectives of each observer.
  • One participant argues that the scenario does not fit the definition of a paradox, as the statements about the clocks' rates are compatible and do not contradict each other.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that each astronaut perceives the other as having traveled a greater spatial distance, raising the question of whether this perception constitutes a paradox.
  • Several participants emphasize that the Lorentz transformation maintains a one-to-one correspondence between coordinates across different inertial frames, supporting the view that the situation does not lead to a paradox.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the scenario does not constitute a paradox, although there are varying interpretations of what constitutes a paradox and how the perceptions of distance and time relate to each other.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of paradox and simultaneity, as well as the need for formal mathematical treatment to fully explore the implications of the scenario.

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Two astronauts A and B are traveling at constant speed, one toward the other. From astronaut A's point of view, his partner B's clock is ticking at a slower rate than his. From astronaut B's point of view, it is his partner A's clock ticking at a slower rate. Does this set up a paradox? Because?
 
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SaintRodriguez said:
Does this set up a paradox?
No.
SaintRodriguez said:
Because?
The relativity of simultaneity. Set up the problem formally for one observer and use the Lorentz transforms to get the other observer's perspective and you'll see what's going on.
 
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SaintRodriguez said:
Does this set up a paradox? Because?
No. Because it is not the right form for a paradox.

A paradox is something like ##a<b## and ##b<a##. But that is not what we have here.

Let ##\tau_A## be the proper time of clock A and ##t_A## be the coordinate time in frame where A is at rest. Similarly for ##\tau_B## and ##t_B##.

Then “From astronaut A's point of view, his partner B's clock is ticking at a slower rate than his” means $$\frac{d\tau_B}{dt_A}<1$$

And “From astronaut B's point of view, it is his partner A's clock ticking at a slower rate” means $$\frac{d\tau_A}{dt_B}<1$$

Both of these statements are perfectly compatible. They do not contradict each other. Hence it is not a paradox.
 
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Two astronauts A and B are traveling at constant speed, one toward the other. From astronaut A's point of view, his partner B's clock is ticking at a slower rate than his. From astronaut B's point of view, it is his partner A's clock ticking at a slower rate. Does this set up a paradox? Because?
Do you consider the following as a paradox? Because?

From astronaut A's point of view, his partner B moved via a greater spatial distance than himself, because A regards himself to be at rest. From astronaut B's point of view, it is his partner A's travel distance, which is the greater one.
 
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SaintRodriguez said:
Two astronauts A and B are traveling at constant speed, one toward the other. From astronaut A's point of view, his partner B's clock is ticking at a slower rate than his. From astronaut B's point of view, it is his partner A's clock ticking at a slower rate. Does this set up a paradox? Because?
It doesn't lead to a paradox, because the Lorentz transformation from one inertial frame of reference to another is a one-to-one map between coordinates, and the physical laws are covariant, looking the same when expressed in any inertial frame of reference.
 
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vanhees71 said:
It doesn't lead to a paradox, because the Lorentz transformation from one inertial frame of reference to another is a one-to-one map between coordinates, and the physical laws are covariant, looking the same when expressed in any inertial frame of reference.
Such a concise explanation.
 
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