The discussion revolves around the relationship between time and space, specifically questioning whether they are inseparable and whether a photon can exist without space. Participants explore theoretical implications, philosophical considerations, and the nature of existence in relation to physics.
Participants express a range of views on the relationship between time and space, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the inseparability of time and space, while others challenge this notion and explore alternative perspectives.
Participants acknowledge the limitations of their discussions, including the dependence on definitions and the speculative nature of some claims. There is also a recognition that the questions posed may not have widely accepted resolutions.
This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the philosophical implications of physics, the nature of time and space, and the interplay between theoretical concepts and experimental validation.
shaunculver said:There have been ideas of this kind...Read (I haven't read it):
"The End of Time" by J. Barbour.
I don't see how this would work though.
shaunculver said:I don't think time or space by itself has any physical/measurable consequences that can be predicted by mathematical models created by human beings. They can exist separately only mathematically.
ZapperZ said:I would like to remind everyone involved to two very important points:
1. Please review the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374". There appears to be a propensity here to make unverified speculation. Please note that unless what you are posting is based on established physics or on peer-reviewed publication, then you are making a personal theory or an unverified speculation. This is not allowed on here outside of the IR forum.
2. If you do not stick with physics issues, but meander into esoteric and unverifiable qualities, then this will be moved out of the physics subforums and into philosophy. So the fate and quality of discussion of this thread depend on you.
Zz.
This can't be answered as it stands because as we say in Dublin "you're startin' from the wrong place".Can space exist without time?
shaunculver said:Hi ZapperZ,
Could you point out what was said that motivated your post?
It's amazing what one can learn in 10 minutes reading.Ok well I read a little more,mostly einstein's stuff.
Don't assign physical reality to mathematical constructs.That makes sense because space is not nothing,it is something with a structure,
This is meta-physics. Discussions about 'existence' belong in the philosophy forum.and if it exists it needs a time in which it exists.
ytilaerlaernu said:There is still debate though wether space time can exist without matter, I think it can.
Mentz114 said:It's amazing what one can learn in 10 minutes reading.
Don't assign physical reality to mathematical constructs.
This is meta-physics. Discussions about 'existence' belong in the philosophy forum.
Your original questions are of no practical significance. Time is change, if there is no change there is no time. If there is no matter there is no space, despite any snippets of GR you might have read.
Movement requires matter. Try defining movement without a frame of reference.Hence why einstein/aristotle said space,movement, and time are inseperable. Space is meaningless without time.
Oh and by the way,I would take "snippets of GR" over what you have to say anyways mentz,so there is no point in contradicting it when trying to explain something to me.