Time to reach thermal equilibrium and/or a steady state

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The discussion focuses on calculating the time for a spherical sample to reach thermal equilibrium in a furnace at a constant temperature of 873 K. The Fourier Number (Fo) is considered, with a value of 1 indicating near-equilibrium, while the Biot number must be checked for accuracy. The lumped capacity method is recommended, utilizing the heat transfer coefficient derived from the T. Yuge correlation for external flow on a sphere. Key calculations include the Rayleigh number and Nusselt number to determine heat transfer characteristics.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the lumped capacity method in thermodynamics
  • Familiarity with Fourier Number (Fo) and Biot number calculations
  • Knowledge of Rayleigh number (Ra) and Nusselt number (Nu) in heat transfer
  • Basic thermodynamic properties of materials, including specific heat capacity and density
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  • Study the lumped capacitance model and its applications in thermal analysis
  • Learn how to calculate the Biot number and its implications for heat transfer accuracy
  • Investigate the T. Yuge correlation for external flow on a sphere
  • Explore the effects of temperature-dependent properties on heat transfer calculations
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Thermodynamics students, engineers working with thermal systems, and researchers involved in heat transfer analysis will benefit from this discussion.

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I want to calculate the time it takes for a spherical sample (radius, r) to reach thermal equilibrium in an oven where the temperature is held constant.

I don’t need a super accurate answer, within 5-10 seconds is sufficient. Is it reasonable to simply say that when the Fourier Number (Fo) is 1 that the system is almost in a steady state and almost in equilibrium? Or does Fo have to be higher to make this assumption? I read somewhere that Fo = 1 equates to an energy transfer of ~97%, is this true? (There was no reference given).

Cheers
 
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First try the lumped capacity method. See Equation 6.9 in:

http://ec.pathways-news.com/Text-PDF/Part B-6.pdf

Check your Biot number is within limits (Equation 6.15), or your result will not be very accurate.

If your Biot number is out of range, let me know - there are other (more complex) models to treat this case.
 
Thanks for the reply. Is there another link to the PDF? The link you posted doesn’t work for me, but I am in living China so many it is not too much of a surprise.

I know very little about thermodynamics and my hope of a simple solution may not be so simple. For the lumped capacity method is the solution what is on the wiki page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumped-capacitance_model#Solution_in_terms_of_object_heat_capacity

For this and the Biot number I need h, the heat transfer coefficient. On wiki this is describes in terms of convective heat transfer, so should I use the value for the media? In this case it is air (10-100 W m^-2 K^-1).

Thanks again for the help
 
For your heat transfer coefficient h, use the T. Yuge correlation for external flow on a sphere in the wiki link:

NuD = 2 + 0.43 RaD^1/2

Your Rayleigh number is a function (amoung other things) of the temperature difference between the surface and external. So this also varies with time.

To get started and learn the method, assume RaD = 0, and thus NuD = 2. This will overestimate the heatup time. When you get comfortable with this, you can include the Rayleigh number in the treatment.
 
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Thanks for the info. I haven't had a chance to work on this yet, but I'll let you know how it goes (hopefully by the end of the week). Rayleigh and Nusselt numbers are ringing old bells (I did an undergrad degree in Geophysics where they are used in core and mantle dynamics).

Cheers
 
OK, so I have found some time to crunch through this in more detail.

The furnace cavity is cylindrical with diameter, D = 0.1 m, and length > D (more than 10 times D). The furnace is held at constant temperature, T_{env}= 873 K. A spherical sample of radius = 0.0125 m at temperature, T_{samp}(t=0)= 293 K is "instantaneous" introduced into the furnace with no heat loss.

So the Rayleigh Number, \mathrm{Ra}, (when \mathrm{Pr}=1) is given by:

\mathrm{Ra} = \mathrm{Gr}= \frac{g \beta} {\nu^2} (T_{env} - T_{samp}) D^3

To first order I assume that \beta and \nu are temperature independent and values for air at 873 K are used (1.17e-3 K^{-1} and 98.65e-6 m^2s^{-1}, respectively)

Following the equation for \mathrm{Nu}, the heat transfer coefficient, h can be determined by:

h=\frac{\mathrm{Nu}k}{L},

where k is the thermal conductivity of the sample (taken to be ~2.5 W.m^{-1}.K^{-1} for a basalt sample). Should this be for air?
L is the characteristic length scale, here I use the ratio of the sample volume/area \left(L\approx{\frac{V}{A}}\right).

The solution to the lumped capacity method is given by:

T_{samp}(t) = T_{env} + (T_{samp}(0) - T_{env}) \ e^{-r t},

where r=\frac{hA}{C_p\rho{}V}.
My sample is a basalt so...
The mass specific heat capacitance, C_p=1200 J. K^{-1}. kg^{-1}
and the density, \rho{}=2800 kg. m^{-1}
Again, these are assumed to be invariant of temperature.

Still following me? I'll admit it's interesting learning this stuff! :smile:


Using the above I calculate Ra(t=0) = 685730 and h (t=0) = 35.9.
By t = 1000 s, Ra(t=1000) = 114221, h (t=1000) = 24.8, and T_{samp}(t=1000) = 776.5 K.
And by t = 2000 s Ra(t=2000) = 38227, h (t=2000) = 20.0, and T_{samp}(t=2000) = 840.8 K.

Since Ra, and hence r, depend on T_{samp} I evaluate T_{samp}(t_n) using r(t_{n-1}) and use 50 s time steps. This will introduce an error, which will be reduced as the time steps decrease, correct?

Are these reasonable values? They seem OK to me. But am I using the appropriate values? By that I mean, am I making the correct distinction between fluid (air) and sample (rock) properties in the equations?


I know I skipped ahead of the simple example you suggested, but I find it easier to learn by applying methods to more realistic situations, assuming of course I have done it correctly.

If I am on the correct track then I will build in the temperature variation of the "constants" (\beta and \nu). Should these be evaluated at

T_f=\frac{T_{samp}+T_{env}}{2}?

Also, in the strictest sense, the furnace cavity is cylindrical (so is the sample) and \mathrm{Pr}\neq1. Would it then be more appropriate to calculate h using:

h = \frac{k} {D}\left({0.6 + \frac{0.387 \mathrm{Ra}^{1/6}}{\left[1 + (0.559/\mathrm{Pr})^{9/16} \, \right]^{8/27} \,}}\right)^2

Cheers for all the help so far!
 

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