To calculate the centre of gravity of a spherical cap

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The discussion revolves around calculating the center of gravity of a spherical cap, with a specific focus on the disagreement between the original poster's (OP) proposed method and a book's answer. The OP attempts to derive the center of gravity using integrals and area formulas related to spherical caps.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The OP proposes a method involving integrals and questions the validity of the book's answer. Participants discuss the correctness of the area formula used by the OP and its implications on the derived center of gravity.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying assumptions and correcting interpretations of formulas. The OP acknowledges a misinterpretation of the area formula and is working towards a corrected approach based on feedback received.

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There is a noted concern regarding the behavior of the area formula as certain variables approach specific limits, which is central to the discussion. The OP's initial formula did not tend to zero as expected, prompting further examination of the definitions used.

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Homework Statement
To calculate the centre of gravity of a spherical cap
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comparison of moments
Could I please ask for help as to why I disagree with a book answer on the following question:

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Answer given is book is $$\frac{1}{2}(a+b)$$

Here's my proposed method:

Prior to this question there is an example of a similar question:

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And here is the answer:

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So, to solve my question I propose to solve the same integral but instead of the limits being $$0\,\,to\,\,\frac{\pi}{2}$$ I will use $$arcsin(b/a)\,\,to\,\,\frac{\pi}{2}$$

And for the area of the whole cap I will use the formula $$Area_{cap} = \pi(h^2+a^2)$$ where h is the height of the cap, so in my case h = a - b and so I have $$A_{cap} =\pi((a-b)^2+a^2)$$

Using Wolfram Alpha to solve the integral (for now, to see if I agree with book answer, will derive by hand if it works) have:

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So equating moments, this would lead me to:

$$\pi\,a\,w\,(a^2-b^2)\,=\,\pi((a-b)^2+a^2)\,w\,\bar{x}$$

which gives:

$$\bar{x} = \frac{a(a^2+b^2)}{a^2+(a-b)^2}$$

Which is not the book answer.

Thanks for any help,
Mitch.
 
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You can easily see that your answer must be wrong as the limit when ##b \to a## should be ##a##.

Where did you get the expression for the cap area? It does not seem correct as it is non-zero when ##h \to 0##.
 
Thanks very much. Yep, the formula for the surface area is wrong. I got it from https://mathworld.wolfram.com/SphericalCap.html. I may have misinterpreted it. I should have noticed that it didn't tend to zero as h tended to zero. Thanks for seeing that. I used instead a different version of the formula from the same page and it checks out in Wolfram Alpha, will derive by hand now.

$$Area_{cap} = 2\,\pi\,r\,h$$

Thanks,
Mitch.
 
I see that I did misinterpret the first version of the formula. The a in that version is the radius of the base of the cap , not the radius of the whole sphere.
 
So with that, are you now able to find the correct expression?
 
Yes, I am. Thanks very much.
 

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