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Today I learned that cleaning a white hat can be done with bleach cleaner, but it’s important to rinse it before wearing it again. I also discovered that "oyster veneering," a woodworking technique from the late 1600s, is experiencing a minor revival despite its labor-intensive nature. Additionally, I learned that the factorial of 23 (23!) equals 25,852,016,738,884,976,640,000, which interestingly has 23 digits, a unique coincidence among factorials. I found out that medical specialists often spend less than 10 minutes with patients, and that watching TV can contribute to weight gain. Other insights included the fact that a kiss can transfer around 80 million microbes, and that bureaucracy can sometimes hinder employment opportunities. The discussion also touched on various trivia, such as the emotional sensitivity of barn owls and the complexities of gravitational lensing around black holes.
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Borg said:
Does it create online posts saying here's a bad person and here's where he lives?
Wow, that's nasty. Any chance of finding out who posted it and asking the police to discuss the meaning of the word "incitement" with them?
 
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fresh_42 said:
I found out that "your location" on my phone has a 360° picture right in front of the house I live in. This is a street where basically nothing happens at all. That was scary.
Nothing to be scared about. That's just the usual Google Maps Street View for your street. My house happens to be on a cul-de-sac off of a street, and the Google Maps car apparently didn't bother with our cul-de-sac so the closest I can get with Street View is a road behind my house. But most houses will have a Street View if you search for them by address or if you check your own location in Google Maps when you are home.
 
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Ibix said:
Wow, that's nasty. Any chance of finding out who posted it and asking the police to discuss the meaning of the word "incitement" with them?
Possibly. I don't want to get into too many details but I have contacted the police and filed a report. Since the post has been deleted, I'm hoping that it's the end of it but wanted the report created just in case. I also have screenshots of the thread before it was finally deleted by the forum. I'm keeping an eye on the forum for a while to make sure that it doesn't happen again. I also have the person who originally told me about it watching too.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I think all plants are perennial, and it is only climate that kills nonnatives each season.
I always wondered about this. How would an annual plant survive in nature?
 
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fresh_42 said:
I found out that "your location" on my phone has a 360° picture right in front of the house I live in. This is a street where basically nothing happens at all. That was scary.
I'm not sure if you're kidding. Google Maps will show you a 360° view of practically any street in the developed world. And your location is where you are.
 
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Algr said:
I always wondered about this. How would an annual plant survive in nature?
It would produce seeds that survive inertly until the seeds germinate for the next growing season.
Many plants do this.
That is why seeds are popular with people who grow plants.
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DaveC426913 said:
I'm not sure if you're kidding. Google Maps will show you a 360° view of practically any street in the developed world. And your location is where you are.
I forgot about Street View. I only thought of Earth. Anyway, I was surprised that it was directly in front of the house, not, say the near crossing. And I was surprised that the phone connected to Street View and not just Maps.
 
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Algr said:
I always wondered about this. How would an annual plant survive in nature?
By spreading their seeds:

 
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BillTre said:
It would produce seeds that survive inertly until the seeds germinate for the next growing season.
Many plants do this.
jack action said:
By spreading their seeds:
But that doesn't seem to work for people who buy plants from shops. Everyone has to keep buying new plants every year. Maybe the process of seeding is really hard? Maybe it is a botanical conspiracy?
 
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Algr said:
But that doesn't seem to work for people who buy plants from shops. Everyone has to keep buying new plants every year. Maybe the process of seeding is really hard? Maybe it is a botanical conspiracy?
Sure it's possible. I personally do it with Zinnias:



And with Marigold:



With these flowers, one flower can be transformed into dozens the next year. And there are so easy to grow, you cannot miss your shot. I highly recommend them for beginners. Bees and butterflies love them (especially Zinnias). My mother used to plant Marigolds in her garden to repel devasting insects (I don't remember which one).
 
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Paper airplane record from Boeing engineers.

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Paper plane physics​

The team had decided their best chance at beating the world record would be with an airplane design that focused on speed and minimized drag, so that the plane could fly a far distance in a short amount of time.
Gathering inspiration from various hypersonic aircrafts, vehicles that can fly faster than five times the speed of sound (Mach 5), specifically the NASA X-43A, the team had come up with the winning paper aircraft design — later named “Mach 5.”
“Full-scale and paper airplanes have vast differences in their complexity, but both operate on the same fundamental principles,” said Ruble, via email. “Some of the same design methodologies can be applied to both. One of these methods was our trial-and-error design process. For instance, we would theorize about a fold we could change on our plane, fold it, throw it, and compare the distance to previous iterations to determine if the change was beneficial.”
To find the best technique when it came to throwing the paper airplane, the team ran various simulations and analyzed slow-motion videos of their previous throws.
“We found the optimal angle is about 40 degrees off the ground. Once you’re aiming that high, you throw as hard as possible. That gives us our best distance,” Jensen said in the statement. “It took simulations to figure that out. I didn’t think we could get useful data from a simulation on a paper airplane. Turns out, we could.”
Even down to the paper, which the team had decided that A4 (slightly longer than typical letter sized paper) was the best for manipulating and folding into the winning airplane. With these meticulously thought-out design choices, and careful attention to the numerous rules and guidelines set forth by the Guinness World Record Team, the three were set to break a record.
On its record-breaking distance flight the plane was in the air for roughly six seconds. The Guinness paper plane record for duration of flight is currently 29.2 seconds.
“The design objectives for an air-time record would be vastly different from the low-drag version we built for the longest-distance record,” Ruble said via email. “Increasing the wingspan and decreasing the aspect ratio would be the first steps in producing this type of plane.”
Paper airplane aside, Ruble added that this tedious method of back-and-forth trials served as a testament to the importance of rigorous prototyping in the real world.
 
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Yeah, I saw that article, but they didn't show a picture of the actual paper airplane. Did you see any pics of the plane?
 
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berkeman said:
Yeah, I saw that article, but they didn't show a picture of the actual paper airplane. Did you see any pics of the plane?
Nope.
 
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This is the previous record.
 
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Tom.G said:
Here is an article link that includes a video. They seemed very careful not to reveal any shape details. One piece of additional info in the article is they used the heaviest weight paper they could get, for high inertia after launch.

https://onfirstup.com/boeing/BNN/ar...s-world-records-status-1?bypass_deeplink=true

Cheers,
Tom
From what I saw of the other plane they seem to favour stubby wings, F22 Raptor shape. You can hardly see the plane in the record breaking flight. Trade secret!
 
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TIL,more black hole news. That is the third big story in a matter of weeks. This latest is worth a thread I think because there is an AI part to it.
A more refined image of the EHT black hole.
Previous to this an intergalactic black hole detected and a black hole the size of a galaxy.
Perhaps stick on one thread?
The astro/cosmo guys will have seen this? @Ibix @Drakkith and Phinds maybe?
 
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pinball1970 said:
The astro/cosmo guys will have seen this? @Ibix @Drakkith and Phinds maybe?
I cant say I've seen it.
 
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Drakkith said:
I cant say I've seen it.
Ok I'll stick a thread in Astro.
 
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berkeman said:
Yeah, I saw that article, but they didn't show a picture of the actual paper airplane. Did you see any pics of the plane?
Several searches returned this image but it could be sites aggregating the same image. The videos that I looked at talked about achieving maximum momentum and the heavy nose in the picture tends to corroborate that.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/t...ane-world-record-for-farthest-flight-8462704/
 
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TIL that Graneledone boreopacifica, an octopus, has the longest egg-brooding in the animal kingdom at 53 months.
It is also the longest living octopus.
The female that broods the eggs does not eat the entire time, nearly 4 1/2 years!

I also learned that the incubation time for octopus eggs is temperature dependent, with colder temperatures yielding longer brood times: ref

examples:
3°C = 1600 days, the aforementioned
7°C = 420 days
22°C = 60 days
28°C = 19 days
 
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TIL that if you place two small marbles of 1 kg in interstellar space at 1 meter apart, they will collide after roughly one day due to their gravitational interaction. And that this collision time is another striking example of how a derivation based on units and some thought (2 body problem) can save you from doing a nasty integral.

A resemblance of gravity's weakness, I suppose. You only need to put 10^-10 Coulomb of charge on each marble to get the same collision time due to the electric force (shielding off gravity).
 
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haushofer said:
TIL that if you place two small marbles of 1 kg in interstellar space at 1 meter apart, they will colllide after roughly one day...
Just off the top of my head, not actually calculating anything, I would have guessed a time scale of years.
 
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Swamp Thing said:
Just off the top of my head, not actually calculating anything, I would have guessed a time scale of years.
I had a similar intuition. I guess a PhD in classical/quantum gravity doesn't guarantee a solid intuition about the subject :P
 
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Today I learned why there is a bite missing on Apple's apple.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Today I learned why there is a bite missing on Apple's apple.
Is that the Turing thing? I thought that was an urban myth?
 
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pinball1970 said:
Is that the Turing thing? I thought that was an urban myth?

Well, that's why I didn't mention it. My source wasn't reliable. This is one of the things I like to quote someone who answered an anecdote I told him:

"I don't think it is true. However, the charm of the story is, that it could be true." (Brooks Ferebee)
 
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fresh_42 said:
Well, that's why I didn't mention it. My source wasn't reliable. This is one of the things I like to quote someone who answered an anecdote I told him:

"I don't think it is true. However, the charm of the story is, that it could be true." (Brooks Ferebee)
I quick search is fuzzy. The fruit seems a bit hippie (fruitarian, commune stuff) and the bite to show it's bigger than a cherry.
Steve Jobs on hearing the Turing story said he wished it was true. Apparently.
So apple = set, fruit
Bigger than cherry
Apple minus bite implies Turing

Code written all over it
 
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haushofer said:
TIL that if you place two small marbles of 1 kg in interstellar space at 1 meter apart, they will collide after roughly one day due to their gravitational interaction. And that this collision time is another striking example of how a derivation based on units and some thought (2 body problem) can save you from doing a nasty integral.

I just did the nasty integral* and came up with 26.7 hours.

*(Wolfram alpha helped. I also assumed the marbles were very dense, such that their diameters << 1 meter.)
 
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Today I learned that, in a biology lecture, leech is used in surgery, thus its name.
 
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collinsmark said:
I just did the nasty integral* and came up with 26.7 hours.

*(Wolfram alpha helped. I also assumed the marbles were very dense, such that their diameters << 1 meter.)
Very much on the same lines, take a spherical asteroid (or rock) with the equivalent density to Earth. Put it out on its own in space and set a small stone in low orbit round it. The orbital period will be around 90 minutes; same as an Earth satellite.
I look forward to someone doing that demo. Come on, Elon!!!
 
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pinball1970 said:
TIL: Meteor showers are caused by the earth’s orbit passing through debris left over from a comets trail.

What did I think caused it before? I don’t know is the honest answer, I just thought material hit the earth all the time.

I did not consider that showers are predicted.

https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/skills/meteor-showers-how-observe-record-shooting-stars/
it's interesting that a piece of ejecta from a comet is given just one burst of impulse as it leaves. It will have a new, different value of momentum when it leaves and will take up a different solar orbit (assuming it has greater than escape velocity from the comet). Orbital mechanics says that the piece's new orbit will re-visit the place where it left the comet (just the same as when satellites transfer orbits). It won't arrive at the same time as the comet's next time round but the piece, along with all the other ejected pieces will arrive back on the path of the comet and go through it. So, iirc, that means there is a focussing effect on all parts of the ejecta such that they will all turn up in a given belt, again and again. When earth passes through this belt, you will get a 'shower' of them; They don't just disperse all over the Solar System.

I'm not sure how many comets repeat their solar orbits closely enough for each pass to leave junk along the same track.
 
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TIL More stuff about the sinking of the Titanic. @hagopbul and @russ_watters mentioned the subject for a possible Engineering thread so this is worth a mention if not an actual thread.
Titanic is very interesting, very tragic and had so many bad luck points associated with it. Worth a thread in the History forum.

There is also information regarding the design of the bulk heads, the iron grade used in the rivets, a fire in the coal store and the angle she hit the iceberg that would interest the engineers?

Anyway, this is a minute by minute animation but there is also a minute by minute animation with commentary on YouTube done on the anniversary. Very interesting and a lot of research went into it. "Titanic Honour and Glory." (Three hours 45 mins, I watched all, fantastic)

Anyway here is the link to the former. (No torpedoes....)

 
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TIL that there are people who crochet animals:

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Love the dopey grin on the angler fish...
 
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Really that was I meant it is a very interested engineering question, I should not mention the sea projectil
 
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hagopbul said:
Really that was I meant it is a very interested engineering question, I should not mention the sea projectil
? what are you talking about?
 
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hagopbul said:
Concerning @pinball1970
Well, please learn to quote the post you are responding to so it's clear what you are talking about.
 
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TIL "A blackened, broken leg bone from Earth’s prehistoric past may hold the answer to when early humans diverged from apes and started their own evolutionary path."

From Last August- paper in Nature. I will check no thread on it and post
 
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Today, at this moment, I learned that cockroaches can cause infectious intestinal diseases viz: cholera, diarrhea, typhoid fever, etc. Also allergic.
 
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DeBangis21 said:
Today I learned that, in a biology lecture, leech is used in surgery, thus its name.
Still a current method or treatment today? Me, not sure, but I may not be well-informed. Today wound debridement therapy using maggots does exist; special care taken in rearing the young maggots.

edit: (excuse me for editing this. I forgot about the word, "maggot" so used the misspelled larva instead.)
 
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symbolipoint said:
Still a current method or treatment today? Me, not sure, but I may not be well-informed. Today wound debridement therapy using larvas does exist; special care taken in rearing the young larvas.
Lordy,I had no idea.

[Warning, do not click into this following link unless you are a medical professional, or seriously deranged]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy
 
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berkeman said:
Lordy,I had no idea.

[Warning, do not click into this following link unless you are a medical professional, or seriously deranged]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy
You really have led a sheltered life, haven't you...leeches(?), maggots..."lions, tigers, and bears, oh my...."
 
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berkeman said:
Lordy,I had no idea.

[Warning, do not click into this following link unless you are a medical professional, or seriously deranged]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy
I've heard about that - using 'clean' maggots.

I've heard about injured POWs who used maggots to debride their wounds of necrotic tissue, then urinated on them to kill them when they finished clearing the dead tissue and to start the healing. I believe leaches are used because they have anticoagulants, which aids in blood flow and prevents gangrene.
 
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