Toilet: Removing the Cistern Valve Blocker

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a leaking toilet cistern valve and the implications of a specific component that may be obstructing water flow. Participants explore the function of this component and its potential impact on the installation of a new valve, with a focus on practical solutions and advice.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a hissing toilet and the installation of a new cistern valve, noting a component that seems to prevent the sealing washer from contacting the wall of the water closet, which may be causing leaks and slow filling.
  • Another participant suggests retaining the old part to see if it resolves the issue, emphasizing that parts are typically included for a reason and cautioning against removing components without understanding their function.
  • A participant expresses unfamiliarity with the component in question and inquires about the geographical context, suggesting that plumbing systems may vary by region.
  • One reply proposes consulting with the store where the new valve was purchased, indicating that staff may have relevant expertise regarding local plumbing systems.
  • Another participant speculates that the component might be part of a nylon compression fitting and suggests that a missing collar could be contributing to the leak.
  • A humorous suggestion is made to use an axe to remove the component or to call a plumber, highlighting the potential for damage if not handled carefully.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the component in question, and there is no consensus on whether it should be removed or retained. Multiple viewpoints on the best course of action are presented, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the difficulty in assessing the situation based solely on a photo, and there are references to potential regional differences in plumbing practices that may affect the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals dealing with toilet repairs, plumbing enthusiasts, or those interested in DIY home maintenance may find the discussion relevant.

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So the toilet in my parents bedroom is all hissing and annoying so I decided to try fix it for them.

I bought a new cistern valve to replace the old one, when I removed the old one i noticed this thing circled in the attached pic.

I'm not sure what it is used for except it prevents the sealing washer from making contact with the wall of the water closet, so now the toilet starts to leak with the new valve installed :(
I think it is also blocking the flow of water because when the new cistern is installed, the water closet fills up very slowly (even when taking the leakage into account)


so, should I remove this thing? if so what is the best way to do it?
 

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Did you keep the old part you could try putting it back into see what happens. Generally people don't just add parts to machines that don't do something so I would say if it was in before it should probably stay in. I see people remove parts from stuff without understanding what they do all the time at my work and it rarely makes things better.
 
I've replaced the innards of one or two toilets, and nothing in that picture looks familiar to me. What part of the world are we talking about here?
 
Containment said:
Did you keep the old part you could try putting it back into see what happens. Generally people don't just add parts to machines that don't do something so I would say if it was in before it should probably stay in. I see people remove parts from stuff without understanding what they do all the time at my work and it rarely makes things better.
good point, but the old parts don't make contact with the thing I circled, so it is really difficult to tell ><

zoobyshoe said:
I've replaced the innards of one or two toilets, and nothing in that picture looks familiar to me. What part of the world are we talking about here?
New Zealand, in southern pacific ocean
 
wukunlin said:
New Zealand, in southern pacific ocean
That's suitably remote for me to suspect there's a different way of plumbing toilets there, or, that it's some very old system, or something.

Easiest thing to do is go back and ask at the store you bought it. Here the people who sell to do-it-yourselfers usually know a lot about how it works.
 
wukunlin said:
So the toilet in my parents bedroom is all hissing and annoying so I decided to try fix it for them.

I bought a new cistern valve to replace the old one, when I removed the old one i noticed this thing circled in the attached pic.

I'm not sure what it is used for except it prevents the sealing washer from making contact with the wall of the water closet, so now the toilet starts to leak with the new valve installed :(
I think it is also blocking the flow of water because when the new cistern is installed, the water closet fills up very slowly (even when taking the leakage into account)


so, should I remove this thing? if so what is the best way to do it?

It's hard to tell for sure by looking at your photo, that but looks like it might be part of a nylon compression fitting. It so, that would imply that you are missing at least one part - a collar that slips down over the fitting to secure the pipe connection. Is the piece below that threaded on the outside?

It's leaking water from this point?
 
Wow you guys know a lot of toilets! Use an axe and swing with full force should cut it or call a plumber before you destroy the toilet and turn it into a fountain.
 
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