Tonight I Visit The The Bowlless Bowl

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This thread explores concepts related to perception, reality, and the existence of unseen dimensions or entities, with references to personal experiences, visions, and philosophical inquiries. The discussion touches on themes of consciousness, the nature of reality, and the potential for scientific validation of personal beliefs, particularly regarding the existence of God and phenomena like remote viewing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that experiencing a sense of "barrenness" can lead to clearer perceptions of reality, likening it to a cleansing process.
  • There are claims of personal visions that have significant impacts on individuals, with questions raised about how to present these experiences to a broader audience.
  • One participant questions the validity of accepting fictional narratives from movies as representations of reality.
  • Concerns are expressed about the challenge of communicating complex ideas to those who may not share the same perspective, likening the audience to "fish" in a bowl.
  • Discussions arise about the possibility of proving the existence of God, with requests for non-subjective evidence.
  • References are made to the CIA's remote viewing experiments, suggesting that these might hold keys to understanding consciousness and reality.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the motivations behind challenges like the James Randi $1 Million Paranormal Challenge, proposing that notoriety may be more valuable than monetary rewards.
  • Philosophical assertions are made regarding the nature of consciousness and the illusory aspects of sensory experiences.

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The discussion features multiple competing views, particularly regarding the nature of reality, the existence of God, and the validity of personal experiences as evidence. No consensus is reached on these topics.

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Participants express varying degrees of skepticism and belief, with some emphasizing personal experience while others seek empirical validation. The discussion remains open-ended, with unresolved questions about the nature of consciousness and reality.

  • #121
Matrixism

Dissident Dan said:
I dub this thread a matrixism.

As one who subscribes to its beliefs I have to take exception to the use of the word Matrixism. Matrixism is a genuine religion spawned in part from the movie The Matrix but with a greater history. It is no big whoop but I figured that I should point this out.

If you are curious about just what Matrixism is you can peruse a short description of it at http://www.geocities.com/matrixism :smile:
 
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  • #122
"Originally posted by Iacchus32
Actually, the only way you're going to believe any of this is if you can establish a basis by which to accept it for yourself. Meaning you have to have some sort of working idea of it your mind and understand how it works ... in other words by working with it.

This is something Randi needs to know as well, that you just can't come out point blank and say prove to me that it works, not without understanding what it means to get from point A to point B, and why things occur the way they do. And no, you may not be able to reproduce the results (which isn't to say it's not impossible), but at least you'll understand what the results mean.

Indeed it's very much like trying to predict which way the wind blows. You may not understand "from whence it comes and whence it goes," similar to what it says about being born of the spirit in John 3:5-8, but that doesn't change the fact that the wind doesn't exist. And yet if we learn how to construct a sail, and put it on a boat (regarding "our lives"), then it doesn't matter, because we can now harness the wind from whichever direction it blows.

If you would like to read about an experience which was the pivotal point of my life, that's even more significant than the Chief Joseph account, then please follow the link ...

http://www.dionysus.org/x0501.html "


hahahahahahahhahahahahahaha! :D bwaaaaahahahahaaaa! :D:D:D :smile: :smile:
this is great... I'm almost soory i put this guy on my ignore list... this is amazingly good entertainment :D

"but that doesn't change the fact that the wind doesn't exist. And yet if we learn how to construct a sail, and put it on a boat (regarding "our lives"), then it doesn't matter, because we can now harness the wind from whichever direction it blows."
HEEEEEHEHEHEHEHEHE! :D:D :smile: :smile:
 

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