Topology by Simmons Problem 1.3.3

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The discussion revolves around a problem from topology concerning mappings between non-empty sets, specifically addressing conditions for a function to be one-to-one and onto. The original poster presents a proof attempt for two statements regarding the existence of mappings that satisfy certain properties related to identity mappings.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to prove the implications of a function being one-to-one and onto, questioning the correctness of their proof. Some participants suggest defining the mappings explicitly and highlight the need for a formal statement involving the axiom of choice.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in clarifying the requirements for the proofs, particularly in defining mappings for all elements in the respective sets. There is an exploration of the implications of the axiom of choice in relation to the proof structure, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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The discussion includes considerations of infinite sets and the implications of needing to make multiple choices, which may affect the formalization of the proofs. The original poster is also navigating the technical aspects of the axiom of choice, which may not have been previously addressed in their studies.

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Homework Statement


Let ##X## and ## Y## be non-empty sets, ##i## be the identity mapping, and ##f## a mapping of ##X## into ##Y##. Show the following

a) ##f## is one-to-one ##~\Leftrightarrow~## there exists a mapping ##g## of ##Y## into ##X## such that ##gf=i_X##
b) ##f## is onto ##~\Leftrightarrow~## there exists a mapping ##h## of ##Y## into ##X## such that ##fh=i_Y##

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The Attempt at a Solution


a) ##~\Rightarrow~## Since ##f## is one-to-one, there exist ##y \in Y## such that ##y=f(x)## for some ##x\in X##, this shows that there exist at least some mapping ##g## that maps ##Y## into ##X## such that ##x=g(y)=g(f(x))=(gf)(x)## for some ##y##, and also ##gf=i_X##.

b) ##~\Rightarrow~## Since ##f## is onto, for all ##y\in Y## there exist some ##x\in X## such that ##y=f(x)##, this shows that there exist some mapping ##h## of ##Y## into ##X## such that ##x=h(y)## and ##y=f(x)=f(h(y))=(fh)(y)## which implies ##fh=i_Y##.

I have done the forward proof but I just want to know if my proof here is correct.
 
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Figaro said:

Homework Statement


Let ##X## and ## Y## be non-empty sets, ##i## be the identity mapping, and ##f## a mapping of ##X## into ##Y##. Show the following

a) ##f## is one-to-one ##~\Leftrightarrow~## there exists a mapping ##g## of ##Y## into ##X## such that ##gf=i_X##
b) ##f## is onto ##~\Leftrightarrow~## there exists a mapping ##h## of ##Y## into ##X## such that ##fh=i_Y##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


a) ##~\Rightarrow~## Since ##f## is one-to-one, there exist ##y \in Y## such that ##y=f(x)## for some ##x\in X##, this shows that there exist at least some mapping ##g## that maps ##Y## into ##X## such that ##x=g(y)=g(f(x))=(gf)(x)## for some ##y##, and also ##gf=i_X##.

b) ##~\Rightarrow~## Since ##f## is onto, for all ##y\in Y## there exist some ##x\in X## such that ##y=f(x)##, this shows that there exist some mapping ##h## of ##Y## into ##X## such that ##x=h(y)## and ##y=f(x)=f(h(y))=(fh)(y)## which implies ##fh=i_Y##.

I have done the forward proof but I just want to know if my proof here is correct.

I'm sure you have the right idea. In the injective case you can simply define what ##g## is. For the surjective case you need to show there exists such a function ##h##. What you need for a formal statement is the axiom of choice.
 
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Dick said:
I'm sure you have the right idea. In the injective case you can simply define what ##g## is. For the surjective case you need to show there exists such a function ##h##. What you need for a formal statement is the axiom of choice.

So you mean in a) I should state it as,
Since ##f## is one-to-one and suppose that there exist a mapping ##g## of ##Y## into ##X##, then ##x=g(y)=g(f(x))=(gf)(x)## which implies ##gf=i_X##.

In b) didn't I already show that there exist a mapping ##h## since for every ##y## there is always an ##x## such that ##y=f(x)##? If not, what do you mean by using the axiom of choice? How should I use it to formalize the proof?
 
Figaro said:
So you mean in a) I should state it as,
Since ##f## is one-to-one and suppose that there exist a mapping ##g## of ##Y## into ##X##, then ##x=g(y)=g(f(x))=(gf)(x)## which implies ##gf=i_X##.

In b) didn't I already show that there exist a mapping ##h## since for every ##y## there is always an ##x## such that ##y=f(x)##? If not, what do you mean by using the axiom of choice? How should I use it to formalize the proof?

Well, no. You need to define what the mapping ##g## is for ALL ##y## in ##Y##. You can't just suppose there is one. For the onto case you need to do the same thing for ##h##. If these are infinite sets you'll find you may have to make an infinite number of choices. The assumption you can do this is called the axiom of choice. It's a little technical and if you haven't talked about it just assume you can do that.
 

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