Torque on circular current loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque on a circular current loop in the presence of a magnetic field generated by a long wire. Participants are exploring the relationships between the magnetic field, magnetic moment, and torque, while addressing potential errors in calculations.

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  • Participants share their calculations for the magnetic field and torque, questioning the accuracy of their results and the use of symbols. There is a focus on ensuring correct units and understanding the relationships between the variables involved.

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Some participants are providing clarifications on the use of symbols and units, while others are recognizing errors in their calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculating torque, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using the correct symbols for magnetic moment and permeability, as well as the importance of including units in calculations. There is a noted confusion regarding the factor of 2 in the torque calculation.

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Homework Statement
What is the magnitude of the torque on the circular current loop?
Relevant Equations
Torque =IAxB=IABsin(theta)
r=3cm
So I'm having a little trouble getting to the solution to this question so here's my attempt at a solution and I'm not seeing the issue with it

1. I calculated the B-field due to the long wire (approximating the distance from the dipole to be equivalent to that in the centre since r>d)
B= μ0*I/(2πr) = 1.3367E-5

2. Calculated μ0 =IA =0.2*(πr^2) =0.2*[π*(1E-3)^2] = 6.28312E-6

3. Calculated torque using IAB = 1.7E-11 (since theta =90 degrees)

However, that's not the right answer and I'm a little lost as to why. Could someone point me in the right direction please? Thanks!
 

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skyesthelimit said:
1. I calculated the B-field due to the long wire (approximating the distance from the dipole to be equivalent to that in the centre since r>d)
B= μ0*I/(2πr) = 1.3367E-5
OK. You should include the units along with your numerical value.

2. Calculated μ0 =IA =0.2*(πr^2) =0.2*[π*(1E-3)^2] = 6.28312E-6
I don't get E-6 here.

3. Calculated torque using IAB = 1.7E-11 (since theta =90 degrees)
I don't see how you can get this answer from your values of B and IA.
 
TSny said:
OK. You should include the units along with your numerical value.
okay so B=1.3367E-5 T
TSny said:
I don't get E-6 here.
sorry this is my bad. I got μ0=6.28312E-7 instead.
TSny said:
I don't see how you can get this answer from your values of B and IA.
I got this value using IAB=2*1.3367E-5*6.28312E-7=1.7E-11
Should I have used I=0.2A instead?
 
skyesthelimit said:
okay so B=1.3367E-5 T
Yes

sorry this is my bad. I got μ0=6.28312E-7 instead.
This is the value of IA. (Units?) I would not use the symbol μ0 for this. μ0 is reserved for the permeability of free space constant. IA is the magnetic moment of the loop and would be denoted by μ, not μ0.

I got this value using IAB=2*1.3367E-5*6.28312E-7=1.7E-11
Why did you include a factor of 2? Note that IAB = (IA)(B). You have already calculated IA and B.
 
TSny said:
Yes

This is the value of IA. (Units?) I would not use the symbol μ0 for this. μ0 is reserved for the permeability of free space constant. IA is the magnetic moment of the loop and would be denoted by μ, not μ0.

Why did you include a factor of 2? Note that IAB = (IA)(B). You have already calculated IA and B.
oh! I see it now. I got a little confused after calculating the μ (which you rightly pointed out that I used the wrong symbol) ! Thanks so much for the help!
 
Ok. Good work.
 

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