Torque & Power for Frame Tilting Arrangement

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque and power requirements for a frame tilting arrangement involving a shaft that rotates sheet metal stacks by 180 degrees. The focus includes theoretical calculations of torque based on mass moment of inertia and angular acceleration, as well as practical considerations regarding motor selection and system balance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates torque using mass moment of inertia and angular acceleration, but questions the validity of using a very short time for angular acceleration due to the slow rotation speed.
  • Another participant questions whether the shaft is perfectly balanced, suggesting that friction could significantly affect the rotation speed.
  • A participant asserts that the shafts are perfectly balanced and seeks clarification on the appropriate time to use for calculating angular acceleration.
  • A question is raised about whether the mass moments of inertia of different bodies rotating about the same axis can be summed to find the total mass moment of inertia of the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the balance of the shaft and the implications for torque calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach for calculating angular acceleration or the treatment of mass moments of inertia.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the assumptions regarding the instantaneous speed and the appropriate time for angular acceleration calculations. The discussion also lacks clarity on the effects of friction and the method for summing moments of inertia.

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hi,
i am doing a project on frame tilting arrangement where the sheet metal stacks mounted on a shaft have to be rotated by 180 degrees. the mass of the shaft is 15 tonnes. to calculate the torque required i found the mass moment of inertia and multiplied it by angular acceleration. the total time taken to rotate the stacks is 25 minutes.so the speed is extremely slow. since the setup reaches the speed instantaneously, for calculating angular acceleration i took time as 0.1 sec(i don know whether this is right). i got very low torque value and also low power.(it came in watts!). i don't know the mistake . please help asap.
 
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Is the shaft really perfectly balanced if there are frames mounted on it? Perhaps you could clarify/draw a diagram of the situation...

If, indeed, the shaft is perfectly balanced, then friction forces are the largest factor in figuring out how fast you can rotate it.

But I would certainly think that a couple hundred watt motor could provide enough torque to turn it if you are looking to rotate it over a period of many minutes. When you gear down the motor that far, the torque can be enormous.
 
hi,
the shafts are perfectly balanced. they have a pair of c-brackets. i have attached a schematic drawing. the torque is very high. and the speed of 0.02 rpm is reached instantaneously .
so to find the angular accln, what is the time to be taken for calculation purpose. please guide me.
 
this is the pdf format of my drawing.
 

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one more question...
can we add up the mass moment of inertia's of different bodies rotating about the same axis to get the total mass moment of inertia of the entire system...?
 

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