Torque Units: Help Understanding kg force cm

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The discussion revolves around understanding the units of torque, specifically kilogram force centimeter (kg force cm), and how these units relate to practical applications such as motor performance. Participants explore the implications of torque ratings in terms of lifting capacity and rotational speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ramone expresses confusion regarding the meaning of kilogram force centimeter and how it translates to lifting capacity and speed.
  • One participant explains that torque is calculated as force multiplied by the moment arm, providing a specific example using 3.6 kg force and a 1.0 cm moment arm to derive torque in Newton meters.
  • Another participant shares a formula relating power, torque, and RPM, illustrating how to convert torque into horsepower using an example.
  • The same participant reiterates the torque calculation example, emphasizing the relationship between torque, moment arm, and the resulting lifting force at different pulley radii.
  • Ramone expresses gratitude for the explanations, indicating that they have clarified his doubts.

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The discussion shows a general agreement on the calculations related to torque and its application, but Ramone's initial confusion indicates a lack of clarity on the concepts, which was addressed through participant contributions. No explicit disagreements are noted, but the understanding of torque units remains nuanced.

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Participants rely on specific assumptions about the definitions of force and moment arm, and the calculations presented depend on these definitions. The discussion does not resolve all aspects of how torque units translate into practical lifting scenarios.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to understand torque units in practical applications, particularly in mechanical contexts such as motors and engines.

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Dear Physics Gurus, o:)

I am trying very hard to understanding the units used to measure torque.

I know there is a unit called kilogram force centimeter, and 1 ounce force inch = 0.072007790632 kg force cm.

My problem is I do not understand what these units mean. I could only find definition for Kilogram-force and not Kilogram-force-cm.
for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram-force

How much weight can a motor lift if it is rated 3.6 kg force cm and also rated at 200 rpm? Does it mean it can lift a maximum of 3.6 kg at a speed of 200 rpm? And how many centimeters will it lift per minute?

As you can see, i am kinda confused :confused: and cannot 'feel' how much weight can be lifted given the torque unit of kg force cm.

Please could you help me.

Best regards
Ramone
 
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Torque = Force x moment arm
In your case, consider 3.6 kg force with a 1.0 cm moment arm (you could use any combination - I picked this one only to make it easy).
3.6 kg force = 35 N
1.0 cm = 0.01 m
So, you have 0.35 Nm of torque.
How you use that torque is up to you. You can now use a pulley with r = 4.0 m and you can lift 0.35 Nm/4.0 m = 0.088 N, or you can use a pulley with r = 0.12 m and you can lift 0.35 Nm/0.12 m = 2.9 N. The difference will be the velocity with which you can lift.
 
Here is a sample of how to use torque in Newton meters (Nm) on your car engine

Power (watts) = torque (Nm) x RPM x 2 pi/60
Horsepwer = watts/746

Example 100 Nm torque and 2200 RPM = 23,038 watts = 30.9 HP
 
TVP45 said:
Torque = Force x moment arm
In your case, consider 3.6 kg force with a 1.0 cm moment arm (you could use any combination - I picked this one only to make it easy).
3.6 kg force = 35 N
1.0 cm = 0.01 m
So, you have 0.35 Nm of torque.
How you use that torque is up to you. You can now use a pulley with r = 4.0 m and you can lift 0.35 Nm/4.0 m = 0.088 N, or you can use a pulley with r = 0.12 m and you can lift 0.35 Nm/0.12 m = 2.9 N. The difference will be the velocity with which you can lift.

Dear TVP45,
Thank you very much for your explanation which has fully clarified my doubt. I am very greatful.

Thanks also to Bob S for the useful example.

Cheers!

Best regards
Ramone
 

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