Total energy of mass spring system?

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The discussion revolves around the total energy of a mass-spring system, specifically analyzing the energy associated with an object of mass 0.7 kg described by the equation y=0.45cos(8.4t). Participants are exploring how to calculate the general energy of the system using kinetic and potential energy equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different methods to compute the total energy, including using kinetic energy at maximum speed and potential energy at maximum displacement. There is also a consideration of the position and speed of the mass at different times.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on calculating total energy using specific instances where either kinetic or potential energy is maximized. There is an acknowledgment of different approaches to finding energy, but no explicit consensus on a single method has been reached.

Contextual Notes

One participant notes a potential oversight regarding the use of "y" instead of "x" for position, suggesting that gravitational potential energy may need to be considered if the mass oscillates vertically. This introduces an additional layer of complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement



We have an object whose mass is 0.7 kg moves with an equation y=0.45cos8.4t.
Find the general energy

w=8.4 A=0.45

Homework Equations



E=mv^2/2 +kA^2/2

The Attempt at a Solution



So I found k using w=(k/m)^0.5. And then I found V0 using V0=A*(k/m)^0.5
and then i found x using F=kx
Then I found V=V0*(1-x^2/A^2)^0.5
And then I used E=kA^2/2+mv^2/2

IS THIS RIGHT?
 
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When the object is at 0 displacement and max speed v0, all of its energy is kinetic. Therefore, you can find the total energy of the system by just computing the kinetic energy (1/2)mv0^2 at this instant.

Alternatively, a quarter of a period later, when the object is at max displacement A and 0 speed, all of the kinetic energy that it had has been converted into elastic potential energy in the spring. Therefore, at this instant, you can compute the total energy of the system simply by computing the elastic potential energy (1/2)kA^2

Both of these expressions will give you the same answer for the total energy of the system, so you would use one, or the other, but not both.

The expression for the total system energy at an arbitrary time t is just the sum of the kinetic and potential energy of the mass:

E = (1/2)kx^2 + (1/2)mv^2

Where "x" is the position at time t, and "v" is the speed at time t. However, it is easiest to pick a time t where one of these two energy terms is zero, like I did in the two cases above. The first case was for x=0, v=v0. The second case was for x=A, v=0. Do you understand now?

One more thing. I notice that you used "y" instead of "x" to denote the position of the mass. This suggests to me that the mass is oscillating vertically. If that's true, then you need to consider *gravitational* potential energy as well.
 
Thank you so much.Now I understand it all :)
So I guess that now I only have to use w=(k/m)^0.5 and F=kx to find x :)
 
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Elaia06 said:
Thank you so much.Now I understand it all :)
So I guess that now I only have to use w=(k/m)^0.5 and F=kx to find x :)

No, you don't need to find "x" (or "y" in this case). Like I clearly explained above, once you know k and A, you can get the total energy of the system.


OR, once you know m and v0, you can get the total energy of the system.
 

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