Toy car conservation of angular momentum

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The problem involves a toy car moving in a circular path on a track that can rotate freely. The focus is on understanding the conservation of angular momentum and determining the angular velocity of the track based on the car's speed relative to the track.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular momentum for both the car and the track, questioning the reference frames involved in the velocities. There is an exploration of how to transform the car's velocity from the track's frame to the ground frame.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the relationship between the car's speed relative to the track and the track's angular velocity relative to the ground. Some guidance has been offered regarding the transformation of velocities, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the concept of relative velocity and how it affects the calculations of angular momentum in this scenario. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider different reference frames in the analysis.

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Homework Statement


A 200g toy car is placed on a narrow 60 cm diameter track with wheel grooves that keep the car going in a circle. The 1 kg. track is free to turn on a frictionless, vertical axis. The spokes have negligible mass. After the car's switch is turned on, it soon reaches a steady speed of .75 m/s relative to the track. What then is the track's angular velocity in rpm?


Homework Equations


L=I*angular velocity
L=mrvsintheta
Moment of Inertia for a hoop: I=MR^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the angular momentum of the car and added it with the expression for the angular momentum of the track. The two combined should have a momentum of 0.
(.200kg)(.30m)(.75m/s) + (1kg)(.30m)^2*angular velocity = 0

angular velocity = -.5 rad/s = -4.77 rpm

According to my book the answer is 4 rpm and I was just wondering what I am doing wrong.
 
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bcjochim07 said:
(.200kg)(.30m)(.75m/s) + (1kg)(.30m)^2*angular velocity = 0
.75 m/s is the speed of the car with respect to the track, not with respect to the lab frame.
 
The .75 m/s and the angular velocity you compute from that is relative to the track. The angular velocity of the track you want to compute is relative to the earth. You need to transform the angular velocity of the car to the non-rotating frame.
 
Ok, I see. Can you help me with that transformation? Relative velocity is one of those things that makes a little uncomfortable. Would you just subtract the velocity of the car relative to the track from the answer that I got up above?
 
Try this:
speed of car w.r.t ground = speed of car w.r.t track + speed of track w.r.t ground
 

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