Trace, determinant, and eigenvalues 3x3

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The discussion revolves around finding eigenvalues of a 3x3 matrix using its trace and determinant. The original poster expresses uncertainty about applying methods used for 2x2 matrices to larger matrices, specifically those of size n>2.

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  • Participants explore the limitations of using trace and determinant for determining eigenvalues in 3x3 matrices, with some questioning the validity of applying 2x2 methods to larger matrices. Others suggest that multiple matrices can share the same trace and determinant but have different eigenvalues.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between trace, determinant, and eigenvalues, with some participants providing insights about the implications of a zero determinant. However, no consensus has been reached regarding the applicability of the methods discussed.

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Participants note that the original poster's matrix has a determinant of 0 and a trace of 37/30, which raises questions about the eigenvalues. There is also mention of a reference to a book that suggests a method for finding eigenvalues for the given matrix.

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Use the trace and determinant to compute eigenvalues.

I know how to do this with a 2x2 but not sure how to do it with a matrix of nxn where n>2.

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{1}{2} & \frac{1}{3} & \frac{1}{5}\\ <br /> \frac{1}{4} & \frac{1}{3} & \frac{2}{5}\\ <br /> \frac{1}{4} & \frac{1}{3} & \frac{2}{5}<br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex] the det=0 and the trace=[tex]\frac{37}{30}[/tex]
 
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I don't think it's possible for n>2 cases, you can probably work out infinite number of matrices with the same trace & det, but with different eigenvalues
 
You can't use only the determinant and trace to find the eigenvalues of a 3x3 matrix the way you can with a 2x2 matrix. For example, suppose that det(A) = 0 and tr(A) = t. Then any matrix of the form:

[tex] \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a & 0 & 0\\ <br /> 0 & t-a & 0\\ <br /> 0 & 0 & 0\\ <br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex]

has trace = t and determinant 0 with eigenvalues a and t-a. So you'll have to go back to the matrix to find the eigenvalues.
 
kof9595995 said:
I don't think it's possible for n>2 cases, you can probably work out infinite number of matrices with the same trace & det, but with different eigenvalues

According to the book it can be done with this matrix.
 
Epiphany: since the determinant is 0, one of the eigenvalues has to be 0.
 
Now if we could just divide the determinant of the matrix by zero and get back [tex]\lambda_1 \lambda_2[/tex]!
 
Dustinsfl said:
According to the book it can be done with this matrix.
Then I got no clue, sorry.
 

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