Train collision (linear kinematics)

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The problem involves a passenger train and a freight train traveling on the same track, with the passenger train needing to decelerate to avoid a collision. The scenario includes specific speeds, distances, and a reaction time before deceleration begins, placing it within the context of linear kinematics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on the positions and velocities of both trains to find the minimum deceleration needed. They express confusion about their calculated result compared to an online solution. Other participants question the necessity of the passenger train coming to a complete stop to avoid collision, suggesting alternative interpretations of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the conditions under which the passenger train must decelerate. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the deceleration needed, with suggestions to consider the problem from the perspective of the freight train's frame of reference.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the assumptions regarding the passenger train's need to stop completely versus merely avoiding a collision, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem's requirements. The original poster's calculations and the comparison to an external solution also highlight possible gaps in information or reasoning.

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Homework Statement


A passenger train is traveling at 29ms^-1 and a freight train is traveling 360m ahead of it at 6ms^-1 in the same direction on the same track. The driver of the passenger train has a reaction time of 0.4s before he starts decelerating. What is the minimum deceleration to avoid colliding with the freight train?

Homework Equations


x-0=29t+0.5at^2
0=29+at
x-350.8=6t

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving this as follows but my answer is wrong according to a solution I found online. Where am I going wrong?

First I calculated that when the driver starts decelerating, the separation of the trains will be 350.8m. I then let the initial time be this point in time (ie when they are 350.8 apart) and I let x=0 at t=0. So initially, the passenger train is at x=0 and the freight train is at x=350.8. I let the time they meet be t and the displacement of both trains be x at this time. Also, the minimum deceleration would be if the passenger train stops exactly when they meet.

Based on this, I got the following equations:

For the passenger train we get two equations:
x-0=29t+0.5at^2
0=29+at (since it comes to a stop when they meet)

For the freight train:
x-350.8=6t

Solving these, I got a=-0.703, however the solution I found online (in a pdf document of solutions to the problems in Tipler/Mosca 5th edition; this problem is chapter 2 q96) gives -0.754.
 
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walking said:
Also, the minimum deceleration would be if the passenger train stops exactly when they meet.
Why would the passenger train have to stop at that point?
 
Doc Al said:
Why would the passenger train have to stop at that point?
I thought it would give the slowest rate of deceleration if it comes to a stop at the maximum displacement to avoid collision, ie right when they meet. Maybe my intuition is wrong?
 
walking said:
I thought it would give the slowest rate of deceleration if it comes to a stop at the maximum displacement to avoid collision, ie right when they meet. Maybe my intuition is wrong?
Yes, your intuition is wrong. What you want to ensure is that when they meet the passenger train doesn't overtake the freight train (and thus collide). But to do that, it doesn't have to stop dead. Hint: The freight train is moving.
 
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Another suggestion: Do everything in the rest frame of the freight train instead.
 
Orodruin said:
Another suggestion: Do everything in the rest frame of the freight train instead.
In which case the OP's intuition would indeed be correct - final velocity of train relative to freight train would be zero!
 
neilparker62 said:
In which case the OP's intuition would indeed be correct - final velocity of train relative to freight train would be zero!
Indeed.
 

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