When Will the Two Trains Collide?

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The problem involves two trains: a passenger train and a freight train, with the passenger train applying brakes while traveling towards the freight train, which is moving at a constant speed. The scenario requires determining the point of collision based on their respective speeds and the braking acceleration of the passenger train.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equations of motion for both trains and set their positions equal to find the time of collision. There is a focus on the two different times calculated for potential collisions, with questions about the physical plausibility of each time.

Discussion Status

Participants have identified two potential times for collision, with some expressing agreement on which time appears more physically plausible. The discussion is exploring the implications of the two solutions without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the first collision is the last, which is a point of consideration in evaluating the calculated times. The problem context is constrained by the conditions of the trains' movements and the braking action of the passenger train.

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Homework Statement


The engineer of a passenger train traveling at 25.0 m/s sights a freight train whose caboose is 200 m ahead on the same track. The freight train is traveling at 15.0 m/s in the same direction as the passenger train. The engineer of the passenger train immediately applies the brakes, causing a constant acceleration of 0.100 m/s^2, while the freight train continues with constant speed. Take x=0 at the location of the front of the passenger train when the engineer applies the brakes.

Where will the collision take place?




Homework Equations



y=yo+vo*t+1/2*a*t^(2)

-b+- Sqrt(b^(2)-4ac)/2a

The Attempt at a Solution



yp-passanger train and yf=freight train

Yp=yo+vo*t+1/2*a*t^(2)
yp=25m/s*t - 0.05m/s^(2)*t^(2)

Yf=yo + vo*t +1/2*a*t^(2)
yf=200m +15m/s*t

yp=yf

-0.05m/s^(2)*t^(2) + 10m/s*t -200m

I get t= 177.4596 seconds and t=22.5403 seconds

How do I know which time is correct?
 
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Toranc3 said:

Homework Statement


The engineer of a passenger train traveling at 25.0 m/s sights a freight train whose caboose is 200 m ahead on the same track. The freight train is traveling at 15.0 m/s in the same direction as the passenger train. The engineer of the passenger train immediately applies the brakes, causing a constant acceleration of 0.100 m/s^2, while the freight train continues with constant speed. Take x=0 at the location of the front of the passenger train when the engineer applies the brakes.

Where will the collision take place?



Homework Equations



y=yo+vo*t+1/2*a*t^(2)

-b+- Sqrt(b^(2)-4ac)/2a

The Attempt at a Solution



yp-passanger train and yf=freight train

Yp=yo+vo*t+1/2*a*t^(2)
yp=25m/s*t - 0.05m/s^(2)*t^(2)

Yf=yo + vo*t +1/2*a*t^(2)
yf=200m +15m/s*t

yp=yf

-0.05m/s^(2)*t^(2) + 10m/s*t -200m

I get t= 177.4596 seconds and t=22.5403 seconds

How do I know which time is correct?

I haven't checked your numbers. But sure you get two solutions. The later one assumes the trailing train survives the first collision and passes through the leading train and then collides again as the trailing train catches up with it again. Which do you think is the physically plausible one?
 
Dick said:
I haven't checked your numbers. But sure you get two solutions. The later one assumes the trailing train survives the first collision and passes through the leading train and then collides again as the trailing train catches up with it again. Which do you think is the physically plausible one?

The 22.5403 seconds one!
 
Toranc3 said:
The 22.5403 seconds one!

I'd agree with that. The first collision is usually the last.
 
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Dick said:
I'd agree with that. The first collision is usually the last.

Thank you!
 

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