Train for Marathon: Tips for a 12-Mile Run

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around training for a marathon, specifically focusing on a recent 12-mile run, hydration strategies, and general advice for long-distance running. Participants share personal experiences, tips, and questions related to running techniques, nutrition, and race preparation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their experience of completing a 12-mile run in challenging weather conditions and seeks advice on improving their running experience.
  • Another participant mentions their experience walking a similar distance and notes the difference in impact between running on pavement versus grass.
  • Several participants discuss hydration strategies, including the importance of balancing water and electrolytes during long runs.
  • One participant suggests considering a half marathon as a preparatory step before the full marathon.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to understand personal limits and areas of weakness, such as muscle fatigue, to tailor training effectively.
  • There are discussions about the timing of hydration and nutrition during races, with suggestions to practice these strategies during training runs.
  • Participants share their experiences with different hydration products, including sports drinks and gels, and their effects on performance.
  • One participant recounts their past experiences with marathon training and the importance of knowing the location of aid stations during a race.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints on hydration and training strategies, with no clear consensus on the best approach. Some agree on the importance of hydration and nutrition, while others share differing personal experiences and methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors affecting running performance, such as terrain, weather conditions, and personal fitness levels, which may influence the applicability of their advice to others.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals training for marathons or long-distance running events, as well as those interested in improving their hydration and nutrition strategies during endurance activities.

  • #31
Greg Bernhardt said:
We got any runners here? I'm in the middle of training for my city's marathon first week of Oct. Just finished a 12 mile run. It was tough due to heat and humidity. Anyone got interesting advice? I'm not really all that into pure running, but I figured it was time to knock this off the bucket list.
I've done 3 and my most recent was a Boston Qualifier. I cried tears of joy when I crossed the line. Right now I'm training for a sub 20, 5K and it's really hard. My advice to you for your first marathon is as follows:
1. Try to find a training mate. Running, for some reason, is easier when you do it with a friend. This counts especially for the long runs.
2. Expect bad days. Some days, for some unknown reason, the legs/lungs won't co-operate. You've got to be mindful of the "sweetspot". Yes, there's a certain truth in "No pain, no gain", but if you push it too far, you'll be injured and then that's weeks out of running. Some days you've just got to quit.
3. I presume you have a plan that's been advanced by one of the "experts in the field".
4. For you first marathon, just focus on finishing the bloody thing and don't worry too much about the time.
5. As the weather gets cooler, you should find it easier to run. Right now, it's still a bit too hot. There's a "20 degree" rule of thumb for runners. Whatever the ambient temperature is, add 20 degrees and that'll tell you the temperature that your body is really "feeling".

Good luck and I sure hope it won't be your last.
 
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  • #32
Marathon is 10 days away. I am not ready. My ITB burns badly after 13 miles every run. I bought a compression strap. Maybe that will help. I'm still going to run it, but it's looking like the second half will be a walk jog. Hoping for 10min miles.
 
  • #33
Greg Bernhardt said:
My ITB burns badly after 13 miles every run.
Just watch it --- that's not one to mess with.
 
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  • #34
Bystander said:
Just watch it --- that's not one to mess with.
Can permanent damage be done?
 
  • #35
I'm quite a bit older than you, so crank that into your "computer," but once I started "hearing" from my ITB, maybe ten-fifteen years ago, things have not been the same for me as far as "endurance" goes. You may be able to "strap" it, and never hear from it again. Just don't :headbang:.
 
  • #36
Hey, it looks like I'm signed up to do a half marathon on the day Greg does his full one!

I've been running about 14 km on a weekly basis lately. I did 18 km last weekend. I'm not sure if I should taper this coming weekend or just try to put in another 18 km or so. I might play it by ear.

Greg, one thing that helped me with tight IT bands was moving to minimalist shoes. That's probably not something to try this close to your marathon, but it might be worth looking into long term.

And a little bit of massage therapy never hurts either.
 
  • #37
Greg Bernhardt said:
Can permanent damage be done?

Pain can become chronic, and possibly require medical treatment.

I'd wind back the mileage before the marathon to give your body some well deserved rest. Switch out to the pool for cardio if you can.

I'd also hit the gym to do some hip strengthening exercises, I seem to remember hearing it's an effective way to help prevent ITBS.
 
  • #38
Student100 said:
Pain can become chronic, and possibly require medical treatment.

I'd wind back the mileage before the marathon to give your body some well deserved rest. Switch out to the pool for cardio if you can.

I'd also hit the gym to do some hip strengthening exercises, I seem to remember hearing it's an effective way to help prevent ITBS.

I think this is spot on. I'm a bit out of my area of expertise (I do mountains but no running). If my joints were sore or I had an injury, but I wanted to stay fit, I'd get on the bike or running machine at the gym (not the treadmill). You can get or remain cardiovascularly very fit, without any road pounding. I'd definitely quit the road and take to the gym for a few days. Find something that is cardiovascularly demanding but doesn't put pressure on the injured or painful areas.That said, with the race itself only 10 days away, you probably only have a few days training left.

At this stage, if anything hurts, I'd say rest is better than more training.
 
  • #39
Tomorrow is the big day! I got some compression bands for my knees to help with the ITB pain. I went on a couple 10 milers this past week and they felt better. I shooting for 10min miles because I really think around 18-20 miles I'll need to walk run the rest.
 
  • #40
Good luck!
 
  • #41
Finished with a junky time of 5:01 but I'll take it considering my knees were on fire past 18.
 
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  • #42
Greg Bernhardt said:
Finished with a junky time of 5:01 but I'll take it considering my knees were on fire past 18.

You finished, that's all that matters!

:bow::partytime:
 
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  • #43
Congratulations Greg! Awesome job!
 
  • #44
Greg Bernhardt said:
with a junky time of 5:01
:smile:
 
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  • #45
It is good you finished, but did you get any injuries? Might be hard to tell now, given you will be in pain regardless for 2 days or so after a run like this..
 

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