Train pulling caboose - forces and friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a toy locomotive pulling a caboose, focusing on the forces acting on the caboose, including friction and acceleration. The subject area pertains to dynamics and Newton's laws of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the caboose, including the frictional force and the force exerted by the locomotive. There are attempts to apply Newton's second law (F=ma) to find the unknown force and questions about whether to add or subtract the frictional force.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the forces involved and attempting various calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the forces, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion due to the presence of multiple values for acceleration in the problem, and some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the assignment itself.

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Homework Statement



A 2.7 kg toy locomotive is pulling a 1.2 kg caboose. The frictional force of the track on the caboose is 0.48 N backward along the track. If the train is accelerating forward at 2.7 m/s2, what is the magnitude of the force exerted by the locomotive on the caboose?

Homework Equations



F=ma and f=uN (the formula relating friction to normal force)

The Attempt at a Solution



I've found the normal forces and weights and drawn my FBD's (free body diagrams) and realize that the tension is the only force acting on the caboose other than friction...
Am I supposed to add the masses of the objects, and find the force using the acceleration? Do I subtract friction?

I know:
2.7 kg X 2.7 m/s2 = 7.29 N (mass of train times accel.)
1.2 kg X 2.7 m/s2 = 3.24 N (mass of caboose times accel.)
(1.2 kg + 2.7 kg) X 2.7 m/s2 = 10.53 N (both masses combined times accel.)

i also assume friction needs to be subtracted since it acts in the negative direction...but i don't know where to go from here...
 
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You know one force on the caboose, F_friction=0.48N backwards. You know the acceleration of the caboose because it's the same as the train in a forward direction. As before, in F=ma, F is the total of all the forces. So F=F_friction+F_locomotive. Can you find F_locomotive? You don't need to worry about mu and normal forces, you are already given the frictional force. You don't have to compute it.
 
I've tried entering every answer I can think of and they all turn out wrong...
When using F=ma regarding the train, you would take 2.7 kg X 2.7 m/s2 = 7.29 N, correct? Then adding the force of friction (.48 N) you would get 7.77 N? Which is incorrect, as is 6.81 N (what would have happened had you subtracted .48 N)
 
The force of the locomotive and the force of friction are in opposite directions, right. So you subtract. But the mass in F=ma is the mass of the caboose, right? That's the object you are calculating forces and accelerations for. You don't need to to know the mass of the locomotive at all. It's just there to distract you.
 
I've also tried 3.24 N (mass of caboose times accel.) plus and minus the .48 N, with no success.
 
(-0.48N+F_loco)=(1.2kg)*2.7m/sec^2. If you got 3.72N, then you are correct. And I don't know what else to say.
 
Yup, that is what I got...must be an error in the assignment.

Thank you for all your time and help!
God bless~
 
You have two 2.7 numbers in the problem. Are you sure they are both correct?
 

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