Trajectory of a bullet with drag

1. Dec 3, 2008

mekrob

Trajectory of a bullet with drag

In most physics books, they pass over drag problems because of their difficulty. However, I had to do one for a mid-term for a physics class. When the velocity is low (tens of m/s or less), then the drag is proportional to the velocity and the math is quite simple (at least in comparison). However, we were asked about a bullet which travels nearly 1000 m/s and thus is dependent upon velocity squared. I was utterly confused with how to progress with the math.

Since the bullet is fired at an initially positive angle $$\theta$$, the drag can be broken into two components (2-D only): Fx and Fy.

Fx = F * cos$$\theta$$
Fy = F * sin$$\theta$$

FDrag = $$\frac{(Drag Coefficient)*(\rho)*V^{2}*(Area)}{2}$$
FDrag = k*V2, where K = .5*Cd*$$\rho$$*Area

Assume that density is constant throughout time.

Fx = m$$\frac{\partial vx}{\partial t}$$ = -k*V2

$$\frac{\partial vx}{\partial t}$$ = -k*Vx2/m

$$\frac{\partial vx}{V^2}$$ =-k/m * dt

Integrate to get:

-1/Vx = -kt/m + C

Vx = m/kt + K

However, at t = 0, Vx = muzzle velocity*cos(theta). But according to the equation I have, Vx would go to infinity as t -> 0. Right?

I run into the same problem when trying to figure out Vy which is even more complicated since it involves gravity. Can anyone tell me where I went wrong with this?

Thanks

2. Dec 3, 2008

Troels

Re: Trajectory of a bullet with drag

We'll get to your question, but I couldn't help to notice a bit of "creative math" in these two lines.

$$\vec v^2 \neq v_x^2$$

So in order to get the vec's right:

$$m\frac{\partial \vec v}{\partial t}=-k \vec v^2 \hat v$$

(^ means unit vector) projecting onto the x-axis:

$$m\frac{\partial v_x}{\partial t}=-k (v_x^2+v_y^2) \frac{v_x}{\sqrt{v_x^2+v_y^2}}$$

so

$$m\frac{\partial v_x}{\partial t}=-k v_x\sqrt{v_x^2+v_y^2}$$

and similar for y:

$$m\frac{\partial v_y}{\partial t}=-k v_y\sqrt{v_x^2+v_y^2}$$

To get to your question, set vy = 0 for a case of one dimensional drag motion. Here:

$$m\frac{\partial v_x}{\partial t}=-k v_x^2$$

Now you integrate to obtain
Which is not a good (even wrong?) way to do it. Rather stick to:

$$v_x=\frac{1}{kt/m+C}$$

Where is it clear that v goes to v0 for t going to 0 for a suitable pick of the constant C (= 1/v0) and goes to 0 for t going to infinity.

Now you can tackle the 2-dimensional problem on your own :)

3. Dec 3, 2008

mekrob

Re: Trajectory of a bullet with drag

Wow, thanks. Not that complicated when you do it correctly.

4. Dec 3, 2008

tankFan86

Re: Trajectory of a bullet with drag

Check out these videos if you want your mind blow about drag:

http://web.mit.edu/hml/ncfmf.html".

They might make you rethink the approximation that drag is proportional to the first or second power of the velocity.

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5. Dec 3, 2008

Troels

Re: Trajectory of a bullet with drag

Why? The gentleman in the videos drew nice parabolic drag/speed dependencies.

Even if it is an approximation (it isn't, at least in some specific cases) who says that it is an unsatisfactory approximation?

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6. Dec 3, 2008

tankFan86

Re: Trajectory of a bullet with drag

Well the assumption does have some validity, for sure. But I think it would be naive to think that drag can be completely understood in these terms.

7. Dec 3, 2008

8. Dec 3, 2008

tankFan86

Re: Trajectory of a bullet with drag

It's nice to find some physics where the theory is less developed than the experiment!

9. Dec 4, 2008

Troels

Re: Trajectory of a bullet with drag

First it was an approximation, now it is an assumption?? Please understand that it is neither. Just about any textbook on fluid mechanics will derive that. Of course there are limitations to the validity of the exact dependence, eg. in transition from sub-sonic to super-sonic. Such special cases will have to be tackled separately, just like is the case in just about all physics. But nobody has ever claimed otherwise.

No. The fundamental theory of fluid mechanics (Euler (Navier-Stokes) equation + no slip BC) has proven to be remarkably robust, when solved correctly!

It's time to call enough of this nonsense. If tankFan86 wishes to discuss disagreements in theory and experiment with regards to fluid drag, may I suggest that he provides a peer reviewed publication on which to base this discussion, such that we can all agree on the premises. This "I think..."-reasoning is useless.

Last edited: Dec 4, 2008