Transfer function of a PDE system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around acquiring the transfer function of a system described by a partial differential equation (PDE) for the purpose of designing a robust controller. Participants explore methods for applying the Laplace transformation to the PDE, which involves transforming non-constant parameters into the 's' domain.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks references to help calculate the transfer function from a PDE using Laplace transformation.
  • Another participant requests more information about the specific PDE to provide better assistance.
  • A participant describes the dynamic model of an electrical system with equations involving various functions and constants, emphasizing the need to apply the Laplace transform to convert non-constant parameters to the 's' domain.
  • One reply suggests transforming the PDE into an ordinary differential equation (ODE) to facilitate the use of standard Laplace transform techniques, mentioning the potential use of residue theory for extracting functions in the time domain.
  • A later reply clarifies that the parameters i, θ, and y are functions of time, indicating the complexity of the equations due to multiple derivatives with respect to time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method for obtaining the transfer function, and multiple approaches are suggested, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the equations presented, particularly due to formatting issues with LaTeX, which may hinder understanding and further discussion. Additionally, the complexity of the PDE and its transformation into ODEs remains unresolved.

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Hi everyone!

I want to design a robust controller for a system which is driven by a PDE. I need to acquire its transfer function in 's' parameter which means it should be transferred by Laplace transformation. I know that the result transfer function will be an infinite series of transfer functions but i don't know how to calculate it!

would you mind introducing me a reference which help me to learn that?

thank you!
 
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Hey matinking and welcome to the forums.

It would help if you gave us some information firstly about the PDE itself if you don't mind.
 
Hi chiro
it is a dynamic model of an electrical system which could be described as below equations.
except t,tetha,y and i are constants.

f1 - f2 = f3 + f4

f1 = \frac{4 I\ddot{\theta}{\beta}
f2 = \dot{\theta} {M^{2}\ddot{y}^{2} + \tilde{M}^2\tilde{g}^2 + 2 M\tilde{M}\tilde{g}\ \ddot{y}}{4 \tau_{0}^{2}}}
f3 = 4F
f4 = A i^{2} t^2

the laplace transform should be applied on this equation in order to transform all of the non-constant parameters(tetha,y,i,t) to 's' parameter!

have you any idea?
 
matinking said:
Hi chiro
it is a dynamic model of an electrical system which could be described as below equations.
except t,tetha,y and i are constants.

f1 - f2 = f3 + f4

f1 = \frac{4 I\ddot{\theta}{\beta}
f2 = \dot{\theta} {M^{2}\ddot{y}^{2} + \tilde{M}^2\tilde{g}^2 + 2 M\tilde{M}\tilde{g}\ \ddot{y}}{4 \tau_{0}^{2}}}
f3 = 4F
f4 = A i^{2} t^2

the laplace transform should be applied on this equation in order to transform all of the non-constant parameters(tetha,y,i,t) to 's' parameter!

have you any idea?

It would help if you (or a moderator) fixed up the latex as I can't interpret it from what is being written.

However I can offer some advice. If you can transform your PDE into an ODE, then you can use normal Laplace transform to get your transfer function F(s) and depending on the function you could get an analytic expression using tables and transform identities, or you could use the direct approach and use residue theorems to extract the function in the time domain.

If you need to use the direct approach, then you will need to use residue theory which means you will need to be familiar with complex analysis at a basic level.

When you fix up the latex, I can give you more specific help but unfortunately I can't really make sense of relationships: but yeah see if you can transform your PDE into a system of ODE's and from there you can use standard Laplace transform identities to get your transfer functions for the system of ODE's and then solve for the function using indirect or direct method.
 
I've written the equation. in fact i,tetha and y are functions of the t! which means i should coup with a equation which is constructed from different derivatives from different functions based on t!

please check it up!


(4Iθ{dotdot})/β-{(M^2*y{dotdot}^2+ N^2*g^2+2MNgy{dotdot})/(4τ_0^2 )} θ{dot}= 4F+Z*i^2* t^2
t: independent parameter which must be mapped by laplace transform
θ= θ(t)
i=i(t)
y=y(t)
The other variabes are constant.
 

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