Transformation of a Line Segment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the transformation of a line segment defined by points $\textbf{p}$ and $\textbf{q}$ under a linear transformation $T$. Participants explore the implications of this transformation, particularly whether it maps the segment onto another line segment or a single point. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and verification of the transformation process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical formulation of the transformation, suggesting that the line segment maps onto another line segment or a single point depending on the value of $t$.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the mathematical steps, particularly the transformation of the expression $T((1 - t)\textbf{p} + t\textbf{q})$ and its simplification.
  • Another participant points out a potential typo in the transformation equation, indicating that it should be $T((1 - t)\textbf{p} + t\textbf{q})$ instead of $T((1 - tp) + tq)$.
  • A later reply raises a question about the case when $T(\textbf{p}) = T(\textbf{q})$, suggesting that this could lead to a situation where the transformation results in a single point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the transformation steps, and there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of the transformation, particularly in cases where $T(\textbf{p})$ and $T(\textbf{q})$ are equal.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the mathematical steps presented, including potential typos and the implications of specific cases in the transformation process.

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$\textbf{Problem}$
The line segment from $\textbf{p}$ to $\textbf{q}$ is the set of points of the form $(1 - t)\textbf{p} + t\textbf{q}$ for $0 \le t \le 1$ (as shown in the figure below). Show that a linear transformation, $T$, maps this line segment onto a line segment or onto a single point.
Line Segment x to T(x).PNG

$\textbf{Solution}$
$\textbf{x} = (1 - t)\textbf{p} + t\textbf{q}$ and $0\le t \le1$
\begin{align*}T\textbf{(x)} &= T((1 - t\textbf{p}) + t\textbf{q}) \\&=T(\textbf{p} + t\textbf{p}) + Tt\textbf{q} \\&=T\textbf{p} + Tt\textbf{p} + Tt\textbf{q}, \text{ when } 0 < t \le 1 \\&=T\textbf{p} + T(0)\textbf{p} + T(0)\textbf{q}, \text{when } t = 0\\&=T\textbf{p}\end{align*}

Conclusion:
$\textbf{x}$ maps onto line $T\textbf{p} + tT\textbf{p} + tT\textbf{q}$ when $0 < t \le1$ or point $T\textbf{p}$ when $t = 0$

Please check for discrepancies?
 
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Mark44 said:
@bwpbruce, I don't follow why T((1 - tp) + tq) = T(p + tp) + T(tq).
Thanks for pointing this out seven years later.
 
bwpbruce said:
Thanks for pointing this out seven years later.
I didn't see it when you posted it. We're in the process of responding to very old posts that haven't received any replied, and I happened upon this one.
 
Mark44 said:
I didn't see it when you posted it. We're in the process of responding to very old posts that haven't received any replied, and I happened upon this one.
I'm just glad you guys are still here.
 
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bwpbruce said:
$\textbf{Problem}$
The line segment from $\textbf{p}$ to $\textbf{q}$ is the set of points of the form $(1 - t)\textbf{p} + t\textbf{q}$ for $0 \le t \le 1$ (as shown in the figure below). Show that a linear transformation, $T$, maps this line segment onto a line segment or onto a single point.View attachment 308170
$\textbf{Solution}$
$\textbf{x} = (1 - t)\textbf{p} + t\textbf{q}$ and $0\le t \le1$
\begin{align*}T\textbf{(x)} &= T((1 - t\textbf{p}) + t\textbf{q}) \\&=T(\textbf{p} + t\textbf{p}) + Tt\textbf{q} \\&=T\textbf{p} + Tt\textbf{p} + Tt\textbf{q}, \text{ when } 0 < t \le 1 \\&=T\textbf{p} + T(0)\textbf{p} + T(0)\textbf{q}, \text{when } t = 0\\&=T\textbf{p}\end{align*}

Conclusion:
$\textbf{x}$ maps onto line $T\textbf{p} + tT\textbf{p} + tT\textbf{q}$ when $0 < t \le1$ or point $T\textbf{p}$ when $t = 0$

Please check for discrepancies?

Of course T(\mathbf{x}(0)) must be a single point; that's how functions work.

We have \begin{split}<br /> T(\mathbf{x}(t)) &amp;= T((1-t)\mathbf{p} + t\mathbf{q}) \\ <br /> &amp;= T(\mathbf{p}) - tT(\mathbf{p}) + tT(\mathbf{q}).<br /> \end{split} What happens if T(\mathbf{p}) = T(\mathbf{q}), ie. when T(\mathbf{q} - \mathbf{p}) = \mathbf{0}?
 
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Mark44 said:
@bwpbruce, I don't follow why T((1 - tp) + tq) = T(p + tp) + T(tq).
Now I get it -- there was a typo in the left side of the equation. That expression should be T((1 - t)p + tq).
 

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