Transforming E^2(x,t) to A_y^2 + A_z^2 in Harmonic Waves

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of the expression ##E^2(x,t)## into the form ##A_y^2 + A_z^2## within the context of harmonic waves. Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships between electric field components and their amplitudes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how the equation for the electric field squared relates to the sum of the squares of the amplitudes. They express confusion over the integration process and its implications for the relationship between the terms.
  • Some participants suggest integrating the expression over a specific time interval to clarify the relationship, while others question the assumptions regarding the time period of oscillation and its relevance to the integration limits.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical derivations and questioning the assumptions involved in the integration process. There is recognition of the need for clarification on the conceptual aspects of the transformation, and some guidance has been offered regarding the integration limits and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the appropriateness of the time period used for integration, particularly in relation to the oscillation frequency and the implications of using a time much larger than the oscillation period.

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Homework Statement
Show that ##I = \frac{1}{2} \Big( \frac{\epsilon}{\mu} \Big)^{\frac{1}{2}} (A_y^2 + A_z^2)##
Relevant Equations
$$I = \frac{1}{T} \int_0^T \Big( \frac{\epsilon}{\mu} \Big)^{\frac{1}{2}} E^2 (x,t)dt$$
$$E_y (x,t) = A_y cos(kx-\omega t)$$
$$E_z (x,t) = A_z cos(kx-\omega t + \phi)$$
Note that ##\phi## is the phase difference
$$E^2 = E_y^2 + E_z^2$$
To begin with, I am trying to understand how does ##E^2 (x,t)## transform to ##A_y^2 + A_z^2##. And, noting that the already established equation of ##E^2 = E_y^2 + E_z^2##, I would assume that ##E^2 (x,t)## somehow ends up to being ##A_y^2 + A_z^2##. However, noting that ##E^2 = (A_y cos(kx-\omega t))^2 + (A_z cos(kx-\omega t + \phi))^2##, I can't see how this can be equal to ##A_y^2 + A_z^2## yet. In other words, I am having a hard time with the math if I am going about this in the right direction.

In short, any help toward helping me understand and ultimately solve the question would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your help!
 
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Athenian said:
However, noting that E2=(Aycos(kx−ωt))2+(Azcos(kx−ωt+ϕ))2, I can't see how this can be equal to Ay2+Az2 yet.
It isn't. But integrate it from t = 0 to 2π/ω.
 
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Thank you for your reply. Here's what I did.

Since
$$E^2=(A_y cos(kx−\omega t))^2+(A_z cos(kx−\omega t+ \phi))^2$$

I can continue per your instructions (if I understood it correctly) by writing the following:
$$\int_0^\frac{2 \pi}{\omega} (A_y cos(kx−\omega t))^2+(A_z cos(kx−\omega t+ \phi))^2 dt = \frac{\pi A_y^2}{\omega} + \frac{\pi A_z^2}{\omega}$$

The above answer is what I got when I plugged the values into Wolfram|Alpha. However, despite integrating, my answer does not exactly equate to ##A_y + A_z##. Am I doing something wrong here or am I on the right track?

Also, I noticed you substituted ##\frac{2\pi}{\omega}## (or ##\frac{1}{f}##) for ##T##. However, isn't ##T## (time) much larger compared to the time period of oscillation (i.e. ##T >> \frac{1}{f}##)? Or, despite that, it's still fine to integrate from ##0## to ##\frac{2\pi}{\omega}##. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I am having my understanding completely accurate and coreect.

Once again, thank you so much for your kind and prompt assistance!
 
Please ignore my confusion in the above reply. It was pretty late and I wasn't exactly thinking straight despite my efforts. Anyway, a good night's rest was all I needed to get my mind on the right track.

In short, my partial answer of ##\frac{\pi A_y^2}{\omega} + \frac{\pi A_z^2}{\omega}## was correct. However, I did not put in mind that ##\frac{1}{T}## before the integral would also become ##\frac{1}{\frac{2\pi}{\omega}}## instead.

Multiplying and simplifying everything, I got the desired solution of ##I = \frac{1}{2} \Big( \frac{\epsilon}{\mu} \Big)^{\frac{1}{2}} (A_y^2 + A_z^2)##.

However, my original question re-quoted below still stands. If somebody can help answer this conceptual or math-based question to reinforce my understanding, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you!

Athenian said:
Also, I noticed you substituted ##\frac{2\pi}{\omega}## (or ##\frac{1}{f}##) for ##T##. However, isn't ##T## (time) much larger compared to the time period of oscillation (i.e. ##T >> \frac{1}{f}##)? Or, despite that, it's still fine to integrate from ##0## to ##\frac{2\pi}{\omega}##?
 
The answer is strictly true only for T = an integral multiple of 1/f. However, if T >> 1/f the error is small. If we write T = n/f + d, then the 1/T factor mean the error due to d is very small if n is very large.
 
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