Transforming PDE to ODE: How Can We Subsitute Correctly?

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The discussion revolves around transforming a partial differential equation (PDE) into an ordinary differential equation (ODE) using similarity transformations, as referenced in a research paper. Participants are exploring the steps necessary to achieve this transformation, particularly focusing on the equations provided in the homework statement.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule for partial differentiation and its role in transforming the equations. There are inquiries about choosing appropriate similarity transformations and evaluating specific terms in the equations. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek clarification on the relationships between variables.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing hints and suggestions for approaching the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of partial derivatives and the implications of certain terms in the equations. There is a mix of attempts to understand the transformation process and the specific calculations involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the homework assignment, which requires them to follow the steps outlined in the research paper. There is a focus on understanding the relationships between variables and the necessary calculations to derive the equations from the given PDE.

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Homework Statement



In the attached research, What are the steps that we work to transform the equation (1) to (8)

Homework Equations



(1) and (8)

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that they used similarity transformations but I do not know how to do it by myself (how to substitute correctly) ...

can you help me to I understand the steps ... then I will do the others In the same way.

Thanks
 

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Do you know how to apply the chain rule for partial differentiation? Try going to Wikipedia and searching on "chain rule", and reading the section on several variables. Then I think if you apply this to the research paper you attached you will see how they arrived at the equations. Basically, they chose a new set of variables so that after applying the chain rule and collecting terms, many terms canceled and the original set of PDEs was converted into a set of ODEs.
 


phyzguy said:
Do you know how to apply the chain rule for partial differentiation? Try going to Wikipedia and searching on "chain rule", and reading the section on several variables. Then I think if you apply this to the research paper you attached you will see how they arrived at the equations. Basically, they chose a new set of variables so that after applying the chain rule and collecting terms, many terms canceled and the original set of PDEs was converted into a set of ODEs.

Thank you for this hint...I will try it :) and read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_rule

https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=353
 


Q: How do I choose the appropriate similarity transformations to a particular system?!​
 


please ... help me ... just the first term in eq(1)

I try but failed :(
 


Show us your calculations on the first term in Equation 1. Learn how to use TeX so you can type it in.
 


I will try :(
 


is it right that u is in 3 variables : x and Fi Dash and M ?
 


please ... Is this true?! I took the second term in eq(1)



\partial w / \partial z

= ( \partial w / \partial \varphi ) . ( \partial \varphi / \partial \eta ) . ( \partial \eta / \partial z )

= (- \sqrt{b\nu} ) . ( \grave{\varphi} ) .( \sqrt{b/\nu} )

= -b \grave{\varphi}​
 
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I think this is correct. Now if you look at the first term in equation 1, you see:

\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}} = b \phi'(\eta)

so the two terms cancel and equation 1 is automatically satisfied. Keep going!
 
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phyzguy said:
I think this is correct. Now if you look at the first term in equation 1, you see:

\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}} = b \phi'(\eta)

so the two terms cancel and equation 1 is automatically satisfied. Keep going!

Thanks ...I appreciate it

but how do I get the equation (8) ?!

and

thepioneerm said:
is it right that u is in 3 variables : x and Fi Dash and M ?
 
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Yes, you need to consider u to be a function of x, \phi', and M. You need to evaluate all of the partial derviatives, like you did for

\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{z}}

and plug these into equations 2-5, and you should come out with equations 8-12.
 
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phyzguy said:
Yes, you need to consider u to be a function of x, \phi', and M. You need to evaluate all of the partial derviatives, like you did for

\frac{\partial{w}}{\partial{z}}

and plug these into equations 2-5, and you should come out with equations 8-12.

ok, but eq (1) say:

\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}} + ( \partial w / \partial z) =0

so, I have evaluate all of the partial derviatives but How can I have eq (8) :( I do not understand !
 
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Equation 8 comes from equation 2. Since u has a term proportional to \phi', when you evaluate
\frac{\partial^2{u}}{\partial{z^2}} , you will get a term in \phi''' . Do you see?
 
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phyzguy said:
Equation 8 comes from equation 2. Since u has a term proportional to \phi', when you evaluate
\frac{\partial^2{u}}{\partial{z^2}} , you will get a term in \phi''' . Do you see?

ok ... I will try :)

Thank you
 

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