Transient response of a system (control)

In summary, the system has an overshoot of .254, and the peak time is 3. The equations give the values for \zeta and \omega_n. If you solve for \zeta and \omega_n using \zeta = 0.3998 and \omega_n = 0.5482 in the third equation, respectively, this gives the wanted solution for \omega_n and substituting this value in the first equation gives the wanted solution for \zeta.
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Homework Statement



Find T,K value such that the system's percent overshoot is .254 and peak time is 3
[PLAIN]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6139/problemz.png

Homework Equations


[PLAIN]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/51/releq.png

The Attempt at a Solution


[PLAIN]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4818/solz.png
(I had problems using the LATEX built into this forum, so i used another tool to generate the equations. sorry about the loading times).

The main question i have up to now is i have no idea how to solve the two equations. Another thing i want to confirm is whether there is anything wrong with my equations. I've worked on this problem a few times, and i always get stuck on the two equations. any idea on how to solve this problem?
 
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silentwf said:

Homework Statement



Find T,K value such that the system's percent overshoot is .254 and peak time is 3
[PLAIN]http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6139/problemz.png

Homework Equations


[PLAIN]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/51/releq.png

The Attempt at a Solution


[PLAIN]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4818/solz.png
(I had problems using the LATEX built into this forum, so i used another tool to generate the equations. sorry about the loading times).

The main question i have up to now is i have no idea how to solve the two equations. Another thing i want to confirm is whether there is anything wrong with my equations. I've worked on this problem a few times, and i always get stuck on the two equations. any idea on how to solve this problem?

First of all, you must divide both the numerator and the denominator of your TF by T, in order to make the calculations.
 
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Hey,
Okay, that was something I missed. After reworking it, there's still something wrong with it:
[PLAIN]http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6645/solk.png
as you can see, although i have solved for the values for %OS and Tpeak in the 3rd and 4th line of the picture, the solutions do not match the last part of the second line, which is that damping = 1 / (2*w).

any idea?

forgot to add, the answer provides that T=1.09 and K=1.424, which gives w=1.143 and damping=0.437. but with this answer (damping), %OS becomes .217...so not sure where went wrong
 
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silentwf said:
Hey,
Okay, that was something I missed. After reworking it, there's still something wrong with it:
[PLAIN]http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6645/solk.png
as you can see, although i have solved for the values for %OS and Tpeak in the 3rd and 4th line of the picture, the solutions do not match the last part of the second line, which is that damping = 1 / (2*w).

any idea?

forgot to add, the answer provides that T=1.09 and K=1.424, which gives w=1.143 and damping=0.437. but with this answer (damping), %OS becomes .217...so not sure where went wrong

You have three equations for two unknowns ([tex]\zeta[/tex] and [tex]\omega_n[/tex]). The system is overdetermined.
It is interesting that using [tex]\zeta = 0.3998[/tex] in the third equation, gives the wanted solution for [tex]\omega_n[/tex] and substituting this value in the first equation gives the wanted solution for [tex]\zeta[/tex].
The problem is ill formulated.
 
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  • #5
I agree. Thanks for your help though, really saved me from wasting hours on this problem.
 

1. What is transient response?

The transient response of a system refers to the behavior of the system after a sudden change in its input or operating conditions. It is the process by which the system adjusts to the new conditions and reaches a steady state.

2. What factors affect transient response?

The transient response of a system is affected by various factors such as the type of input signal, the system's parameters, and the system's initial conditions. The type of input signal can be a step, ramp, or impulse, while the system's parameters include its natural frequency, damping ratio, and time constant.

3. How is transient response different from steady-state response?

Transient response is the initial behavior of a system after a change in its input or operating conditions, while steady-state response is the long-term behavior of the system after it has reached a stable state. Transient response is characterized by oscillations and fluctuations, while steady-state response is constant and does not change with time.

4. How is transient response analyzed?

Transient response is analyzed by studying the system's time-domain behavior, which involves plotting the system's output over time and observing its response to the input signal. The response can also be analyzed using mathematical models and equations that describe the system's behavior.

5. Why is understanding transient response important in control systems?

Transient response is important in control systems because it helps in predicting the system's behavior and performance after a change in its input or operating conditions. It also helps in designing and optimizing control systems to achieve desired transient response characteristics, such as faster settling time and minimal overshoot.

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