Translationlength by the coxeterelement of E9 along the coxeteraxis

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The discussion centers on determining the translation length by the coxeter element of E9 along the coxeter axis, which is related to the affine extension of E8. Participants explore various mathematical properties and references related to E9, including its Coxeter matrix and root systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks the translation length by the coxeter element of E9 along the coxeter axis but finds limited resources.
  • Another participant questions whether the matrix entry m_{89} of the Coxeter matrix is not equal to 3 and suggests references that might help.
  • Some participants propose that the translation length could be √3 based on analogies with A_n structures, but this is contested.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about existing results and considers calculating the translation length independently.
  • One participant mentions that the lattice of E8 only has half-integers and integers, suggesting that the translation length cannot be √3.
  • A later reply claims to have found a paper that may provide insights into E9, indicating a potential translation length of √2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the translation length, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the values and properties of E9 and its Coxeter matrix.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the availability of specific literature on E9, and assumptions about the relationships between E9 and other groups like E6, E7, and E8 remain unresolved.

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I have searched on Google but i cannot find it.
Does anyone know how long is the translation by the coxerterelement of E9
(which is the affine one point extension of E8) along the coxeteraxis?
 
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I am not quite sure which number you are looking for. Unfortunately I have no books which especially deal with ##E_9##, but the closest I came (K.S. Brown, Buildings) let's me ask: Do you have any doubt that the matrix entry ##m_{89}## of the Coxeter matrix is not ##3\,?##

Maybe https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/E9 or the links on https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Kac-Moody+group can help you.
 
fresh_42 said:
I am not quite sure which number you are looking for. Unfortunately I have no books which especially deal with ##E_9##, but the closest I came (K.S. Brown, Buildings) let's me ask: Do you have any doubt that the matrix entry ##m_{89}## of the Coxeter matrix is not ##3\,?##

Maybe https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/E9 or the links on https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Kac-Moody+group can help you.
Maybe it is more clear with a picture.
The picture shows the affine coxetergroup of A2.
The darkgray chamber makes a reflection and a translation by the coxeterelement of affine A2.

My question now is how long is the translationlength by the coxeterelement of E9 (affine E8)?

Coxeter-complex-of-typeAtype-typeA-2.png
 
We would need the graph for ##E_9##, not the simple one of ##A_2##. But as the ninth root is basically analogue to the situation of ##A_n## I assume it is ##\sqrt{3}## as well.
 
I thought that there already is a result for it but maybe not.I will try to calculate it on myself.
Thanks.
 
reinhard55 said:
I thought that there already is a result for it but maybe not.I will try to calculate it on myself.
Thanks.
I found a table for highest weights in terms of a root system for the classical and exceptional groups, but as I said, nothing about ##E_9##. But per construction, it should look very similar to the differences between ##E_6 \to E_7## and ##E_7 \to E_8##. So once you have those, you should be able to see what changed. As said, the entry of the Coxeter matrix should be ##m_{89}=3##.
 
I think it must be possible by the rootsystem of E9.
Thanks.
 
fresh_42 said:
We would need the graph for ##E_9##, not the simple one of ##A_2##. But as the ninth root is basically analogue to the situation of ##A_n## I assume it is ##\sqrt{3}## as well.
As i found out it cannot be ##\sqrt{3}## because the lattice of E8 have only half integers and integers coordinates.
 
I have found a paper about ##E_{10}##. Maybe it helps (##E_9## on page 6)
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/25173425.pdf
 
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fresh_42 said:
I have found a paper about ##E_{10}##. Maybe it helps (##E_9## on page 6)
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/25173425.pdf
I think i have found the answer.The translation is √2.
 
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