Seeking the Standard Model in E8 plus Supersymmetry

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the exploration of a theoretical framework that seeks to unify the Standard Model (SM) of particle physics with the concept of E8 super Yang Mills (SYM) theory, particularly through the lens of higher-dimensional models and supersymmetry. Participants reference recent papers and reviews that propose various approaches to this unification, including the use of orbifoldings and gauge groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights a paper suggesting that the three families of quarks and leptons may be unified into a single "particle" within a ten-dimensional E8 SYM theory, proposing a realistic model based on orbifoldings.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the necessity of the minimal supersymmetric standard model (MSSM) as a bridge, indicating that it diminishes the appeal of the findings.
  • Several participants reference additional reviews by Lubos Motl that discuss related topics, including the potential realization of breaking E8 into E6 and flavor SU(3) within string theory.
  • One participant notes a broken link to a Lubos blog post, indicating a challenge in accessing relevant information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the MSSM in the proposed unification framework, with some finding it a limitation while others do not explicitly agree or disagree on its importance. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives on the viability of the proposed models.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the implications of using higher-dimensional theories and the specific mechanisms by which gauge groups are broken. The discussion also reflects a dependence on the definitions and interpretations of the models being proposed.

mitchell porter
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This is just a quick alert regarding a paper today

https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.03048
Exceptional Unification of Families and Forces
Alfredo Aranda, Francisco J. de Anda, Stephen F. King
[Submitted on 6 May 2020]
This work considers the remarkable suggestion that the three families of quarks and leptons may be unified, together with the Higgs and gauge fields of the Standard Model (SM), into a single "particle", namely the 248 vector superfield of a ten-dimensional E8 super Yang Mills (SYM) theory. Towards a realistic model along these lines, a class of orbifoldings based on T6/(ZN×ZM) are proposed and explored, that can in principle break E8 SYM down to the minimal supersymmetric standard model (MSSM), embedded in a larger group such as E6, SO(10) or SU(5), together with other gauge group factors which can be broken by Wilson lines. A realistic model based on T6/(Z6×Z4) is presented. The orbifold breaks E8 SYM down to a Pati-Salam gauge group in 4d, together with other gauge groups, which are further broken to the SM by Wilson lines in the flavon and right-handed sneutrino directions, yielding proto-realistic fermion mass matrices, and experimental signals associated with a low Pati-Salam gauge group breaking scale.

In grand unification, one usually only considers E6 but not E7 or E8, because the latter groups only have real representations, which leads to problems in obtaining the chiral fermions of the real world. String theory unification often starts e.g. from E8xE8, but there are stringy methods which allow one to obtain complex representations of the E6 in one of the E8s after all.

However, there is a neat way to single out Standard-Model-like particles from within the N=1 supersymmetric E8 multiplet, and so model builders are occasionally tempted to seek ways around the chiral problem, e.g. Stephen Adler's attempt.

In the current paper, the novelty is to use higher dimensions. Not a string theory, but a higher-dimensional N=1 E8 field theory that is then compactified and orbifolded.

For purposes of comparison, I would also call attention to Lubos Motl's reflections on whether the idea of breaking E8 into E6 times a flavor SU(3), could be realized within string theory after all.
 
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The fact that you need the MSSM as a bridge to get there takes quite a bit of the shine off the finding IMHO.
 
fixed. Thanks
 

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