Translucent, low-freezing point solution

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The discussion revolves around finding a translucent solution with a low freezing point that can effectively dissipate or hold light, resembling a 'light-saber' effect when contained in a tube. Participants explore various materials and additives to achieve the desired properties while maintaining stability over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests glycerol as a potential solution due to its low freezing point of around -38 °C and its clarity.
  • Another participant proposes adding a substance to the glycerol or ethylene glycol to achieve a translucent, white-cloudy appearance that does not settle over time.
  • A suggestion is made to mix milk into the solution, although it is noted that most mixtures will settle over time due to gravity, but this may take days.
  • A later reply discusses the Tyndall effect and the stabilization of colloidal suspensions, mentioning the challenges of maintaining stability across temperature ranges and the potential for crystallization in colloids.
  • It is noted that milk is an example of an oil-in-water emulsion that can be stable until frozen or when ionic strength is altered.
  • Concerns are raised about viscosity potentially being a limiting factor for the application, with a mention of colloid sols being stable in certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and suggestions, but there is no consensus on a specific solution or method to achieve the desired properties of the translucent solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach and materials to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their suggestions, including the potential for settling over time and the effects of temperature on colloidal stability. There are unresolved questions about the best additives and their interactions with the base solutions.

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Looking for advice on a solution that would be able to dissipate/hold light.

As a poor example, a solution that if contained within a tube and had a light shone from below, would resemble a ‘light-saber.’

The solution would therefore need to be translucent/have a consistent turbidity (no settling).

Furthermore, the solution must have a very low freezing point.

Hope this is coherent and not a complete load of bosh. Thank you for any advice / suggestions.
 
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The first thing that comes to mind is glycerol. It is a pretty harmless food additive, and its freezing point is somewhere around -38 °C. It is totally clear too. Hope this helps.
 
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Thanks for that.
Glycerol, or Ethylene glycol (anti-freeze), seem promising for the low-freezing point.
However, can you think of something that could be added to make the solution translucent? Ideally, a sort of white-cloudy? And one that would not settle over time?
Thanks again!
 
Mix some milk into it! This should help. Most things that you try will settle over time, but this is just the nature of the earth. Gravity will cause the heavier molecule to sit below the lighter molecule. But this should take days to happen.
 
You might want to see literature on the Tyndall effect and how colloidal suspensions are stabilized. If you want the effect to be stable over a temperature range, you will have some difficulties since the colloid may aggregate by crystallization. Sols and gels are two variations on the theme.

The formation of WO and OW emulsions are some of the most studied colloids as far as stabilizing and destabilizing. If you choose EGlycol or Glycerin you will be looking for OW emulsions that are unaffected by cold temp for the O phase. Milk is an example of an OW emulsion that is "stable"- until it is frozen or ionic strength is altered of the W phase.

Hopefully viscosity is not a minus for your application. Else the most stable colloid sols are "glasses", and "solid".
 

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