Travel in Space: Electric or Fuel?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of traveling in space using only electricity, exploring concepts related to propulsion methods such as ion thrusters and theoretical alternatives. Participants consider the implications of using electric power for space travel, including the need for impulse and the role of momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to travel in space using only electricity, noting the reliance on fuel for rockets and ion thrusters.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for some form of impulse to achieve acceleration and seeks suggestions for electric-based propulsion methods.
  • A third participant references the concept of a reactionless drive, suggesting that current understanding does not support the idea of propulsion without some form of mass expulsion.
  • One participant proposes that using a powerful flashlight could theoretically allow for movement in space due to light's momentum, although this would require an extraordinarily powerful energy source.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of phase-shifted electrodynamic propulsion as a potential method for long-distance space travel using only electricity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of electric-only propulsion in space. While some suggest theoretical possibilities, others highlight the limitations and challenges associated with such methods. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for substantial energy sources and the implications of mass loss in relation to theoretical propulsion systems. There are also references to existing propulsion methods that rely on fuel or gas, indicating a dependence on current technological limitations.

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Hi, I wanted to ask a basic question.

Can you travel in space using only electricity...? I mean, I only know rockets and Ion trusters. You need fuel for rockets and you need some kind of gas on Ion trusters that can be ionized.
 
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In order to accelerate you need some sort of impulse. Any suggestions as to how to do it with electricity?
 
Light has momentum, so if you use the electricity to run a flashlight you could veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwly move a spaceship.

But the basic answer to your basic question is yes, you can use only electricity to "travel in space".

Of course if you had an unimaginably powerful flashlight with an unimaginably powerful electricity source, you could theoretically actually have a practical space propulsion system. The power source would have to be so powerful though that you would still require a substantial loss of mass to run it (e=mc^2).
 
Karoka said:
Can you travel in space using only electricity...? I mean, I only know rockets and Ion trusters. You need fuel for rockets and you need some kind of gas on Ion trusters that can be ionized.
Phase-shifted electrodynamic propulsion is a conceptual idea for long journeys in deep space using only electricity.

 
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