Triangle and circle length and areas

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the geometry of a circle and triangle, specifically focusing on calculating lengths and areas related to a circle with a given radius and angles. Participants explore the application of the Law of Sines and the formula for the area of a circular sector, addressing multiple related questions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the length $$AD$$ using the Law of Sines and finds it to be approximately 9.71 cm.
  • Another participant confirms the application of the Law of Sines for the calculation of $$AD$$.
  • A participant attempts to find the length $$OD$$, proposing an angle measure for $$\angle{DAO}$$ and using the Law of Sines again, resulting in an approximate value of 10.6 cm.
  • Another participant corrects the angle sum for a triangle, stating that the sum of interior angles is $$\pi$$, not 2, and introduces the sine identity $$\sin(\pi-\theta)=\sin(\theta)$$.
  • A participant recalculates $$OD$$ using the corrected angle and sine identity, arriving at approximately 12.06 cm.
  • One participant calculates the area of sector $$OABC$$ using the formula for the area of a circular sector, arriving at approximately 6.4 cm².
  • Another participant questions the values of radius $$r$$ and angle $$\theta$$ in the area formula for the circular sector.
  • A participant reiterates the area calculation for the sector, confirming the values used.
  • One participant points out a potential unit error in the area calculation, emphasizing the importance of correct units in physics.
  • A final participant acknowledges the feedback and expresses gratitude for the assistance provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the Law of Sines and the area formula for the circular sector, but there are disagreements regarding angle measures and the implications of unit correctness in area calculations. The discussion remains unresolved on some points, particularly concerning the angle measures and their implications for the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about angle measures and the potential for miscalculations in the application of trigonometric identities. The discussion also highlights the importance of unit consistency in mathematical expressions.

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the following diagram shows a circle with center $$O$$ and a radius
$$4cm$$
View attachment 1006
The points $$A, B,$$ and $$C$$ Lie on the circle.
The point $$D$$ is outside the circle, on $$(OC)$$
Angle $$ADC=0.3$$ radians and angle $$AOC=0.8$$ radians

(a) find $$AD$$

I used law of sines

$$\frac{4}{\sin{0.3}}=\frac{x}{\sin{0.8}}$$
$$x \approx 9.71cm$$

there are more questions to this but want to make sure this is correct:cool:
 
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Re: triangle and circle length and areas

Yes, you have correctly applied the Law of Sines. (Sun)
 
Re: triangle and circle length and areas

(b) find OD

since $$\angle{DAO}$$ is not given the its radian measure is
$$2-0.3-0.8=0.9$$

so using law of sines again

$$\frac{x}{\sin(0.9)}=\frac{4}{\sin(0.3)}$$

so $$x \approx 10.6$$

 
Re: triangle and circle length and areas

The sum of the interior angles of a triangle in radians is $\pi$, not $2$.

Also, when you go to use this, be aware of the identity $\sin(\pi-\theta)=\sin(\theta)$.
 
Re: triangle and circle length and areas

$$\pi-1.1 \approx 2.04159$$

$$\frac{x}{sin(2.4159)}=\frac{4}{sin(0.3)}$$

$$x \approx 13.53$$
 
Re: triangle and circle length and areas

You appear to have dropped a zero to the right of the decimal point in the argument for the sine function on the left. I would write:

$$\frac{\overline{OD}}{\sin(A)}=\frac{4\text{ cm}}{\sin(0.3)}$$

Now, given:

$$0.3+0.8+A=\pi\,\therefore\,A=\pi-1.1$$

and using the identity $$\sin(\pi-\theta)=\sin(\theta)$$

we have:

$$\frac{\overline{OD}}{\sin(1.1)}=\frac{4\text{ cm}}{\sin(0.3)}$$

$$\overline{OD}=\frac{(4\text{ cm})\sin(1.1)}{\sin(0.3)}\approx12.062895734\text{ cm}$$
 
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(c) find the area of sector $$OABC$$

$$\Bigg(\frac{0.8}{2\pi}\Bigg)\Bigg(\pi 4^2 \Bigg)\approx 6.4 cm^2$$

last question

(d) Find the area of region $$ABCD$$

$$\frac{1}{2} (12.0624)(4\sin{0.8})-6.4 \approx 10.91 cm^2$$
 
c) The area $A$ of a circular sector having radius $r$ and subtending an angle $\theta$ is given by:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}r^2\theta$$

In this case what are $r$ and $\theta$?
 
MarkFL said:
c) The area $A$ of a circular sector having radius $r$ and subtending an angle $\theta$ is given by:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}r^2\theta$$

In this case what are $r$ and $\theta$?

r=4 and \theta = 0.8

so

$$A=\frac{1}{2} 4^2 \ (0.8)=6.4 cm$$
 
  • #10
The magnitude of the result is correct, but the unit of area is not, which may seem very minor now, but if you take physics, keeping track of the units becomes important, and it is a good habit to get into early on. I would write:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}(4\text{ cm})^2\cdot0.8=6.4\text{ cm}^2$$

You should expect an area to have as its unit of measure the square of a linear measure.
 
  • #11
looks like just need to be more careful:)

thanks again for help
 

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