Triangle Inequality in 'Linear Algebra Done Right'

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The discussion revolves around the Triangle Inequality as presented in 'Linear Algebra Done Right', specifically focusing on the proof related to the conditions under which the inequality becomes an equality. Participants are examining the implications of certain equations and conditions stated in the text.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the proof on page 105, questioning how the equation 6.13 relates to inequality 6.11, particularly in the context of the equality condition.
  • Another participant clarifies that the expression in question is an inequality (≤) rather than an equality.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which 2 Re equals 2 ||, specifically when one vector is a scalar multiple of the other.
  • A participant suggests substituting v with a scalar multiple of u to explore the equality condition further.
  • Another participant attempts to derive the relationship but expresses uncertainty about the implications of assuming that the scalar and its complex conjugate are real numbers.
  • One participant provides a detailed mathematical exploration of the equality condition, concluding that it holds only when one vector is a real scalar multiple of the other.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing interpretations of the conditions for equality in the Triangle Inequality, with some agreeing on the necessity of scalar multiples while others remain uncertain about the implications of their assumptions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the scalar multiples and the conditions under which the equality holds, as well as the implications of complex numbers in the context of the discussion.

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I'm stuck on one aspect of the proof on page 105 of the 2nd edition. Equation 6.13 is necessary for the inequality to be an equality as it says but they never seem to account for inequality 6.11. Specifically, I don't see how this satisfies 2 Re<u,v> = 2 |<u,v>|

Thanks for any guidance.
 
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Can you explain your question in a way that doesn't require having the book?
 
It's not an equality; it is ≤.

2Re< u, v > ≤ 2|<u, v>|
 
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They gave as a condition for this to be an equality that u would be a scalar multiple of v or else v a scalar multiple of u. But they never showed how 2 Re <u,v> would be equal to 2 | <u,v> | in that case.
 
TheOldHag said:
They gave as a condition for this to be an equality that u would be a scalar multiple of v or else v a scalar multiple of u. But they never showed how 2 Re <u,v> would be equal to 2 | <u,v> | in that case.

Just plug in ##\mathbf{v}=\alpha \mathbf{u}## and see what happens.
 
I've given that a try and still have not been able to get it. I'm sure there is some simple connection I'm missing. I'm starting with

|<u, au>| =
| a*u1*comp(u1) + a*u2*comp(u2) + ... + a*uN*comp(uN) | =
| a |u1|^2 + a |u2|^2 + ... + a |uN|^2 |

And from here I have no idea where that is taking me. Similar result form the other side.
 
I think I got it but still a bit confused. This assumes a and hence complex conjugate of a are real numbers and hence the imaginary part in the equations below ends up being zero and dropping off. So is the case that this is an equality only if one vector is a real scalar multiple of the other?

|&lt;u, au&gt;| =
\sqrt{(Re &lt;u, au&gt;)^{2} + (Im &lt;u, au&gt;)^{2}} =
\sqrt{(Re \overline{a} &lt;u, u&gt;)^{2} + (Im \overline{a} &lt;u, u&gt;)^{2}} =
\sqrt{(Re \overline{a} \left\|u\right\|^{2})^{2} + (Im \overline{a} \left\|u\right\|^{2})^{2}} =
\sqrt{(Re \overline{a} \left\|u\right\|^{2})^{2}} =
Re \overline{a} \left\|u\right\|^{2} =
Re &lt;u, au&gt;
 

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