Tricky problem from Probability

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving two hunters, A and B, where A shoots at 50 ducks and B at 51. Initially, the problem was presented incompletely, but after clarification, it was established that the goal is to find the probability that B bags more ducks than A. Various approaches were discussed, including calculating cases based on the difference in ducks bagged. Ultimately, the solution was derived, revealing that the probability of B outshooting A simplifies to 1/2. The conversation also touched on how the method could be adapted if B had more than one extra shot, but complexities arise in those scenarios.
  • #31
PeroK said:
This may not help. If B has two extra shots: ##n + 2## against ##n##. Let ##x## be the probability that they are equal after ##n## shots, ##y## the probability that either is one duck ahead and ##z## the probability that either is two or more ducks ahead. First we have:
$$x + 2y + 2z = 1$$
The probablity that B shoots more ducks than A is:
$$ p = y + z + \frac 3 4 x + \frac 1 4 y$$
We can eliminate ##z## to get:
$$p = \frac 1 2 + \frac 1 4(x + y)$$
This is better than the way I did it previously. But, I don't know how easy it will be to calculate ##x## and ##y## in general.
yes i see it.Your method seems to be applicable for 1 duck only.But i think 2 ducks will be a difficult one and quite complicated.
 
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  • #32
PeroK said:
For the 1-3 case. We look at the probabilities of A getting ##0## and ##1## ducks:

##p(A =0) = p(A = 1) = \frac 1 2##

If A gets ##0## ducks, then B needs more than zero with 3 shots. And ##p(B > 0) = \frac 7 8##.

If A gets ##1## duck, then B needs more than one. ##p(B > 1) = p(B =2) + p(B = 3) = \frac 3 8 + \frac 1 8 = \frac 1 2##.

The probability that B outshoots A is:

##p = (\frac 1 2)(\frac 7 8) + (\frac 1 2)(\frac 1 2) = \frac{11}{16}##

In the limit, as ##n## increases this probability will reduce towards ##\frac 1 2##. E.g. if they have 1000 shots to 1002 it's not often that the extra two shots will make much difference. They only make a difference if it's equal after 1000 shots each or if A is only one duck ahead.

For a million shots, the probability will be very close to ##\frac 1 2## as it's very unlikely that the extra two shots will matter.
Ok, my method was, for case 1-3:
If A shoots 0 B shoots anything other than 000, B wins, same if A shoots 1. And this extends to any case. So I correct to 1-(1/2)^n , where n is the number of additional shots by B, since the only string that will not grant B more shots will be the 0..0 string. I had the right idea but did not implement it correctly.
 
  • #33
Physics lover said:
yes i see it.Your method seems to be applicable for 1 duck only.But i think 2 ducks will be a difficult one and quite complicated.

I couldn't resist the challenge:
$$ x = (\frac 1 2)^{2n} \frac{(2n)!}{(n!)^2}, \ \ y = (\frac 1 2)^{2n} \binom{2n}{n-1}$$
For example, with ##n = 1##, we get ##x = \frac 1 2, y = \frac 1 4## and:
$$p = \frac 1 2 + \frac 1 4(x + y) = \frac{11}{16}$$
And, for ##n = 50##, we have ##p \approx 0.54##.
 
  • #34
PeroK said:
I couldn't resist the challenge:
$$ x = (\frac 1 2)^{2n} \frac{(2n)!}{(n!)^2}, \ \ y = (\frac 1 2)^{2n} \binom{2n}{n-1}$$
For example, with ##n = 1##, we get ##x = \frac 1 2, y = \frac 1 4## and:
$$p = \frac 1 2 + \frac 1 4(x + y) = \frac{11}{16}$$
And, for ##n = 50##, we have ##p \approx 0.54##.
But this will involve lengthy calculation for large values of n.
 
  • #35
Physics lover said:
But this will involve lengthy calculation for large values of n.

That's an exact answer. You can't do better than that. You might need to use an approximation for large ##n##, but for large enough ##n## the answer is approximately ##\frac 1 2## in any case.
 

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