Tricky Torque Problem: Solving for Tension and Understanding Beam Forces

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The discussion revolves around a torque problem involving a massless beam, tension, and forces acting on the beam. Participants are exploring the conditions for equilibrium, including net force and net torque being zero.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between tension and forces acting on the beam, questioning the presence of a force F and its implications. They explore the conditions for equilibrium and the roles of various forces, including the force exerted by the wall and compression.

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The discussion is progressing with participants clarifying concepts and confirming their understanding of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions for equilibrium, but no consensus has been reached on the complete solution.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the beam is massless and are questioning the definitions and roles of forces in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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The writing was just my reasoning, which I don't think is right.
Assume the beam is massless.

Homework Equations


T = Fd sin θ
F = mg
net force must be zero.
net torque must be zero.

The Attempt at a Solution


d * 1/2F + 980 = d * (sin 37) T
1/2 F + 980 = (sin 37) T
I don't know what to do from here.
I can mathematically solve the problem to an extent, but conceptually I don't understand how to do the problem. Can someone explain to me how to do the problem from scratch and the reasoning for steps (like what forces are acting on the beam)?
 
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Arooj said:
d * 1/2F + 980 = d * (sin 37) T
1/2 F + 980 = (sin 37) T
What's F? I thought the beam was massless.

To solve this sort of problem, apply the conditions for equilibrium. The net torque = 0 is one of them. What are the others?
 
ah, so there is no F, meaning it would just be 980 = sin 37 T, where T is the tension.
net force = zero, forces left = forces right, forces up = forces down, clockwise torques = counterclockwise torques, x and y components of force may separately be set to 0. And T cos 37 would give the force exerted by the wall, I assume?
 
Arooj said:
ah, so there is no F, meaning it would just be 980 = sin 37 T, where T is the tension.
Right.
net force = zero, forces left = forces right, forces up = forces down, clockwise torques = counterclockwise torques, x and y components of force may separately be set to 0. And T cos 37 would give the force exerted by the wall, I assume?
Exactly.
 
And compression would thus be opposite to the force exerted by the wall, for a net force of zero?
 
Arooj said:
And compression would thus be opposite to the force exerted by the wall, for a net force of zero?
Yes, the net force is zero. The force exerted by the wall is the compression.
 

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