Trigonometric Identity for Solving Sin Cubed Equations

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The discussion revolves around proving a trigonometric identity involving the sum of cubes of sine functions and the sine of a multiple angle. The original poster presents the equation sin^3(x) + sin^3(2π/3 + x) + sin^3(4π/3 + x) = -3sin(3x)/4 and attempts to manipulate it using known identities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the identity for sin(3x) and the implications of manipulating the equation. Some question whether the problem is an identity to prove or an equation to solve. There are attempts to simplify the left-hand side using sum formulas and identities, with varying degrees of success. Participants also explore the implications of angle quadrants on the sine values.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering guidance on how to approach the proof. There are multiple interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the handling of terms and the application of identities. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the original identity and the steps taken in the solution process.

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Participants note the importance of correctly applying trigonometric identities and the potential for misunderstanding based on angle quadrants. There is also mention of the original poster's inability to edit their initial post, which may have led to confusion regarding the identity used.

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Homework Statement


sin ^{3}x + sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x ) + sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x) = \frac{-3sin3x}{4}

Homework Equations


sin 3x = 3sin 3x - 4sin^{3}x
Mod note: The correct identity is ##sin(3x) = 3sin(x) - 4sin^3(x)##
The OP realized this earlier but was unable to edit his/her post.

The Attempt at a Solution


I kind of felt that as there is cube and 3x, I should use the formula for sin 3x. I multiplied and divided by 4. Then substituted from the identity. I got -3sinx part but also got an additional term 3sinx.
 
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Yashbhatt said:

Homework Statement


sin ^{3}x + sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x ) + sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x) = \frac{-3sin3x}{4}

Homework Equations


sin 3x = 3sin 3x - 4sin^{3}x

The Attempt at a Solution


I kind of felt that as there is cube and 3x, I should use the formula for sin 3x. I multiplied and divided by 4. Then substituted from the identity. I got -3sinx part but also got an additional term 3sinx.
What is the question? Is this an identity that you need to prove or is it an equation that you need to solve for x?

If this is an identity, I would start working with the left side and use the sum formula to rewrite the terms on the left side.
 
It is an identity to be proved. I don't know any formula for the sum of cubes of sine. I used the formula I mentioned in my first post.

This is what I did.

sin ^{3}x + sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) + sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x)\\<br /> = \frac{4}{4}[sin ^{3}x + sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) + sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x)] \\<br /> = \frac{1}{4}[4sin ^{3}x + 4sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) + 4sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x)]\\<br /> = \frac{1}{4}[(3sinx - sin3x) + (3sin(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) - sin 3(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x)) + (3sin(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x) - sin 3(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x))]<br />
Simplifying, I got
<br /> <br /> \frac{1}{4}[3sinx - sin3x -sin3x -sin3x]\\<br /> = \frac{1}{4}[3sinx - 3sin3x]<br />
But I don't know what to do further.
 
I believe you copied this identity incorrectly.
##sin 3x = 3sin 3x - 4sin^{3}x##
It should be ##sin(3x) = 3sin(x) - 4sin^3(x)##
The difference is in the first term on the right side.
 
Mark44 said:
I believe you copied this identity incorrectly.

It should be ##sin(3x) = 3sin(x) - 4sin^3(x)##
The difference is in the first term on the right side.

Yes. I realized that earlier, but I couldn't edit the post. In my solution, I have used the correct thing.
 
Yashbhatt said:
It is an identity to be proved. I don't know any formula for the sum of cubes of sine. I used the formula I mentioned in my first post.

This is what I did.

sin ^{3}x + sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) + sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x)\\<br /> = \frac{4}{4}[sin ^{3}x + sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) + sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x)] \\<br /> = \frac{1}{4}[4sin ^{3}x + 4sin ^{3}(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) + 4sin ^{3}(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x)]\\<br /> = \frac{1}{4}[(3sinx - sin3x) + (3sin(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) - sin 3(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x)) + (3sin(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x) - sin 3(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x))]<br />
You're OK to here.
Yashbhatt said:
Simplifying, I got
<br /> <br /> \frac{1}{4}[3sinx - sin3x -sin3x -sin3x]\\<br /> = \frac{1}{4}[3sinx - 3sin3x]<br />
You have a mistake leading to the work above. All of the sin(x) terms drop out, leaving only the sin(3x) terms.
Yashbhatt said:
But I don't know what to do further.
 
Where is the mistake, I can't find it.
 
What did you do with the terms ##3\sin \left(\frac{2\pi}{3}+x\right)## and ##3\sin \left(\frac{4\pi}{3}+x\right)##?
 
Yashbhatt,
It's somewhere after this line
## = \frac{1}{4}[(3sinx - sin3x) + (3sin(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) - sin 3(\frac{2\pi}{3} + x)) + (3sin(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x) - sin 3(\frac{4\pi}{3} + x))]## and before where you say "Simplifying, I got..."
You don't show that work, so we can't pin down the exact location.
 
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I disintegrated the angle part.
3sin (\frac{2\pi}{3} + x) = 3sin (\pi - \frac{\pi}{3} + x)
Sin pi - is in the second quadrant and hence positive.
Similarly,
3sin (\frac{4\pi}{3} + x) = 3sin (\pi + \frac{\pi}{3} + x)
This part is in the third quadrant and hence negative. So , I will get ##3sin (\frac{\pi}{3} + x) ## and ##-3sin (\frac{\pi}{3} + x) ## and they will cancel out.
 
  • #11
Without knowing what the value of ##x## is, you can't tell which quadrant those angles are in.
 
  • #12
I assumed it is in the range ##[0,2\pi]##.
 
  • #13
I don't see why that matters. Take ##x=\pi## for instance. ##x+\frac{2\pi}{3}## would correspond to an angle in the fourth quadrant, not the second quadrant.

Try using the angle addition formula for sine to expand those terms out.
 
  • #14
vela said:
I don't see why that matters. Take ##x=\pi## for instance. ##x+\frac{2\pi}{3}## would correspond to an angle in the fourth quadrant, not the second quadrant.

Try using the angle addition formula for sine to expand those terms out.

I feel this method is the easiest as it involves cubes and the 3x term.
 
  • #15
I don't know what you mean since those terms don't involve cubing or multiplying the angle by 3.

I'll just point out that the reasoning you used to argue those terms cancel is faulty, which is why you're not getting the result you're asked to show. You should understand why your reasoning doesn't work because that may help you identify any misconceptions you hold, and you need to find a different approach to deal with those terms.
 
  • #16
vela said:
I don't know what you mean since those terms don't involve cubing or multiplying the angle by 3.
I meant that the left hand side has cubes and the right hand side has ##sin 3x ##term. So, thought this identity would suit the best.
 

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